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Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post

Would be nice if there actually was something that was immune to these internet terrorists.mad.gif

Pen and paper...as log as there are no video cameras or spy satellites around.
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I know it does not matter. But I have to point out one little point. He does not actually say that anything is actually built by the NSA. He says that security of open source software is completely worth the risks of governments trying to put backdoors into the system.

He said that given the total number of packages that make up any given os, including windows, ios, and linux, it would not be hard for any government to compromise one package to gain access to that system.

Just like it would not be hard for the NSA to intercept your windows os during an update an inject a backdoor.

The article completely miss characterizes what Assange says. Then takes a russian quote that was never in the video to begin with to advance the authors personal beliefs.

So bottomline,

Assange said that no os can be really safe.

That given the overwhelming amount of data and information that goes into any given os, there is simply not enough security experts in the world to verify that all of it is 100% for the user.

He also said that open source is the way better then any other os, because it does allow everyone to read the code, but that it is way to easy to corrupt one dependency on any given os and own the whole system.

For the people that need it in bullet points.

1.) Open source, like linux, good.
2.) Closed source, like windows and mac, bad.
3.) Not enough people staring at the code, bad.

Exactly.

At least with open source you have the opportunity to review code, with Winblows you have none. One of the worlds largest American companies with a shared ideological interest from the creator..

You can guarantee from now on with Apps's, tablets, phones and software complexity it is truly game over for anything connected to the Web, LAN to WAN to have any degree of closedness, and yes that means any folder on your computer is open to thousands of SS agents to pour through.

perhaps people will call this whole online thing a day and just use it for shopping.
Edited by Pip Boy - 4/11/14 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus2129 View Post

I'd just like to point out a bit of idiocy I'm seeing repeated more and more often. It's the new version of "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide." Since people have gotten schooled on the imbecility of that statement so many times, they've shifted to a new permutation:

"Your life isn't interesting enough for the NSA to care about. You're just a boring dude. The government doesn't care what porn you watch or what video games you play."

If you say this, you're an idiot.

Hey, maybe you're a boring person who never uses the internet for anything but email and OCN. Maybe you never travel internationally, maybe all you friends are white people from English-speaking countries. Maybe you're a whitebread, apple pie-eating, patriotic dullard who's never had a controversial thought or idea. Maybe your data will never get more than a cursory scan from an NSA algorithm.

Guess what? Real life's more complicated than that. Everyone's got secrets. And given the global reach of the internet, odds are you're within a couple degrees of separation of some shady folks. The issue with the NSA is not simply the fact that your data can be searched; the problem is that your data can be searched at will for any reason. The NSA's algorithms that detect patterns are classified. We don't know what will raise a red flag; but we do know that if a red flag is raised, your stuff is being opened, and being perused by an analyst. Maybe you're safe. Maybe red flags only get raised on people with Arab sounding names, or brown people in general. Maybe you have to have visited the middle east. Or maybe you just have to have strongly disapproved of an action the US government took. Or maybe you just have to speak vehemently against the NSA itself. We don't know. The NSA is using algorithms that have not been audited or validated by a third party, and the rate at which they might generate false positives is unknown.



The issue also is that while the NSA was given these powers for the purpose of finding terrorists, the problem is that terrorism does not mean what it meant 15 years ago. Terrorism used to mean strictly a method of violent attack on a populace in order to coerce a government into giving into demands. After 9/11, terrorism became defined as any violent opposition that the US does not support, against an existing nation. Now, even people like Julian Assange are being labeled as terrorists, where even publishing damning evidence of government misdeeds is "terrorism".

The NSA is an agency under command of the Executive branch of the US government, which means ultimately that their mandate and mission is defined by the POTUS. And since there is no effective congressional oversight at all, that means that the President can make any decision he likes regarding the NSA's mission and targets. Now, maybe you think that sounds alarmist or conspiracist. But I just said it on paragraph before; our current administration has targeted government whistleblowers as "terrorists" and I can assure you that Assange, Snowden, and other whistleblowers are under full NSA surveillance, to the best of that organization's capabilities. An organization which was originally meant to furnish information to the FBI, CIA, etc. to prevent terrorist attacks, thwart foreign espionage, and spy on enemy states.




My problem is not with the NSA's existence. My problem is with the vast overreach in power; the lack of any congressional oversight; the mission drift from targeting Russia, China, and Iran, to targeting whistleblowers and journalists.

While individuals in government can be fine, as a whole I trust the government only insofar as the built-in apathy, incompetence, and inefficiency interferes with the all-too-common malicious intent directed against portions of the American citizenry. Like it or not, that inefficiency is the reason Congress and bureaucracy exist, to prevent illegal and malicious actions from being efficiently enforced. But the NSA has been stripped of all of those limitations, and is pursuing its unconstitutional, human-rights violating mission with military efficiency, and you sods are sucking your thumbs and saying you don't mind if the government knows what porn you watch.

Thank you!
    
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1. NSA people are no angels and it's not granted that they will not make some money on the side by selling info or even using it to hack a bank account.
2. Since anyone by now knows about how transparent the web is, the whole NSA stunt looks more like an attempt to gag people from speaking thier minds.
3. I'm wondering what compromising files about our politicians Putin has obtain by now from Snowden... re. the pathetic West response to the Crimeea invasion by Russia.
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So who was the person kept telling me to use pfSense? tongue.gif

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Is pfSense is compromised it's not like common retail routers don't have back doors in their firmware either.. So unless you can build your own, Pfsense is still probably your best choice because it'll provide you with options and security against other things at least

Also, does anyone know if a linux/unix OS exists thats outside out all this silly stuff?

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http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139698608410938&w=2

In a nutshell, the OpenSSL developers are deliberately bypassing native memory protection of Operating Systems. As a result this bug which would have been caught on OpenBSD, went undetected due to OpenSSL developer's negligence. The fact that the code was submitted on NYE of 2011 makes you question whether the author deliberately did it at a time where it will get the least amount of cross examination.

They've fixed the Heartbleed and OpenSSL bugs

https://blog.pfsense.org/?p=1253
    
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i would agree that we need consumer encryption, if the only purpose was to make it more cost and time prohibitive for the governments/hackers to unencrypt.
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This seems a bit paranoid both the linked site and the speech but......

Really?

Because people said the exact same thing several years ago when many of us were trying to tell the world that the NSA was spying on us! Now look at where we are.....

Oh, and for the Lolz, but still to the point...........



Some of us were screaming about the NSA and the U.S. Government prior to 2008 even.....guess we were all just paranoid.
    
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Also to further your point Twinkie... I remember it wasn't too long ago that any talk of drones was conspiracy tin foil hat talk as well, and we see where that is now going.
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Pen and paper...as log as there are no video cameras or spy satellites around.

Has to be delivered in person though, USPS photographs and tracks all mail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/us/postal-service-confirms-photographing-all-us-mail.html?_r=0

For the current issue in this thread though I think linux is no safer than windows or OSX (privacy wise). Redhat has heavy ties to the US government, and military, so anything they contribute to the kernel, or applications are possibly tainted. Whos stopping a debian maintainer or dev from being paid off? An ethical contract isnt going to stop anything.
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are we really depending on some random blogger? What is this? This isn't news.
 
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