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It would only make sense for the NSA to dedicate a somewhat large amount of resources to compromise open source software considering most people interested in security are using unix based system, you'd have to be crazy to imagine that they would let something often associated with freedom fly past other something like Windows, known to be a backdoor infested anti-privacy nightmare.
But I'm getting a bit upset at this video, it almost sounds as if he is using fear factor to garner attention towards himself (but again, I'm only witing for more infos on this subject).
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He has lost all credibility now. There is a line and he has definatley crossed that.
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He has lost all credibility now. There is a line and he has definatley crossed that.

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The idiot making claims about Linux and the NSA yet supplying nothing in the way of supporting evidence for those claims, Julian Assange.
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The idiot making claims about Linux and the NSA yet supplying nothing in the way of supporting evidence for those claims, Julian Assange.
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Wikileaks is officially denying that Julian Assange literally said “Debian Is Owned By The NSA”. For people who are choking on the mere summary title of this article,

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/454246967124963328
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Damage control.

Wikileaks is not a reliable source for anything since Assange became persona non grata.
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The idiot making claims about Linux and the NSA yet supplying nothing in the way of supporting evidence for those claims, Julian Assange.

I don't think he meant it is literally owned by the NSA, more along the lines of since it is an OS it is open to abuse by the NSA. If you honestly think that the NSA isn't in everything, you need to have a reality check.

The message, as I took it, was not to trust anything to be truly secure and out of the reach of the NSA.
    
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HighTemplar, I thank you for your input/opinion and quite frankly I 100% agree with you. This is a pretty great post. Your 'Security Sleuth' title definitely fits the description smile.gif

It's something that I definitely need to learn more about in the I.T. business world.

I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my thoughts, and that I've helped you in some way. thumb.gif

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I don't think you realize how our justice system works. Moreover, our society is not oppressed and the right to "privacy" (which, by the way, not even our Bill of Rights protects as "privacy" is too loose of a term) is no mandatory to a non-oppressed society. Moreover, NSA spying is hard to define as a search. The most important data is not publicly available, however, the Government does know your social security number, your address, your phone number, and everything else that can be attributed to your person. These records are kept track off, filed, and always ready to be accessed in case of an emergency. What NSA is doing is un-intrusive. Is it questionable? Yes. Is it un-constitutional? Possibly. I have an issue though, when posters like you come to the Forum as know-it-all source of "unbiased" information to read your agenda to the rest of us. Oftentimes there's mis-information present which does favors to no one.
In the end, it's best to follow laws. You have little to fear if you haven't broken the law. Is there a possibility you might be targeted for no apparent reason? Of course. And regardless of what legislation is in place, or not in place, that'll always be the case. Abuse of power has always existed, and likely always will.

On that note, I'm going to have to admit that you did post a lot of factual evidence, raised valid concerns, even if it is colored by your ultra right-wing bias.

"Right Wing": The meaning of right-wing varies across societies, historical epochs, and political systems and ideologies."[27] According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists.

'Right Wing' is quite a blanket to throw on someone after reading a paragraph or two, and the definition of right wing has been blurred for hundreds of years.

Now since you claim I have a know-it-all attitude, I'll strip the definition of oppression directly from Wiki as well.

"Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner."

YOU may not feel as if YOU are oppressed, but it varies from person to person. As I'm sure you know, less than 50% of those in the American Revolution even took a side in the matter. It is not about winning over people like yourself who clearly have taken a stance and will not be budged regardless.

You claim I spread misinformation. What part of the license plate readers, MAC address tracking and mapping, and packet-sniffing is misinformation? This is public knowledge and has and is being reported on daily by several outlets. You also write that much of what I said was factual. I cannot spread misinformation AND be factual at the same time HanSomPa.

Regardless of whether or not you agree or stand on the same side as me, it is important to take a stand in general. You seem bothered that people 'like me' post things such as this, yet you do the same on the opposite end of the spectrum.

It seems whenever there is a tightly debated political thread like this, you are always there to defend the government. I would be curious to know if either you or someone close to you works for or with the government.

Merely having a view is not bias as you say. Many of us on this forum take factual evidence and sound logic and apply it to a given discussion. There is no need to accuse me of pushing an 'agenda'. I have no horse in the race except my own happiness and that of my family.

Some may not feel that oppression is creeping in. For me, simply reading anything other than mainstream news gives me a rather uneasy feeling, and thus I give my two cents on the matter without feeling like every word that is written must be politically correct.

Privacy to one person may not be privacy to another. However, police giving cavity searches on the side of the highway to drivers and passengers for speeding is not my idea of a free and happy society. Yes, that is single act, but they add up daily. I guess some people would prefer to grin and bare it, Not I.
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I'd just like to point out a bit of idiocy I'm seeing repeated more and more often. It's the new version of "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide." Since people have gotten schooled on the imbecility of that statement so many times, they've shifted to a new permutation:

"Your life isn't interesting enough for the NSA to care about. You're just a boring dude. The government doesn't care what porn you watch or what video games you play."

If you say this, you're an idiot.

Hey, maybe you're a boring person who never uses the internet for anything but email and OCN. Maybe you never travel internationally, maybe all you friends are white people from English-speaking countries. Maybe you're a whitebread, apple pie-eating, patriotic dullard who's never had a controversial thought or idea. Maybe your data will never get more than a cursory scan from an NSA algorithm.

Guess what? Real life's more complicated than that. Everyone's got secrets. And given the global reach of the internet, odds are you're within a couple degrees of separation of some shady folks. The issue with the NSA is not simply the fact that your data can be searched; the problem is that your data can be searched at will for any reason. The NSA's algorithms that detect patterns are classified. We don't know what will raise a red flag; but we do know that if a red flag is raised, your stuff is being opened, and being perused by an analyst. Maybe you're safe. Maybe red flags only get raised on people with Arab sounding names, or brown people in general. Maybe you have to have visited the middle east. Or maybe you just have to have strongly disapproved of an action the US government took. Or maybe you just have to speak vehemently against the NSA itself. We don't know. The NSA is using algorithms that have not been audited or validated by a third party, and the rate at which they might generate false positives is unknown.



The issue also is that while the NSA was given these powers for the purpose of finding terrorists, the problem is that terrorism does not mean what it meant 15 years ago. Terrorism used to mean strictly a method of violent attack on a populace in order to coerce a government into giving into demands. After 9/11, terrorism became defined as any violent opposition that the US does not support, against an existing nation. Now, even people like Julian Assange are being labeled as terrorists, where even publishing damning evidence of government misdeeds is "terrorism".

The NSA is an agency under command of the Executive branch of the US government, which means ultimately that their mandate and mission is defined by the POTUS. And since there is no effective congressional oversight at all, that means that the President can make any decision he likes regarding the NSA's mission and targets. Now, maybe you think that sounds alarmist or conspiracist. But I just said it on paragraph before; our current administration has targeted government whistleblowers as "terrorists" and I can assure you that Assange, Snowden, and other whistleblowers are under full NSA surveillance, to the best of that organization's capabilities. An organization which was originally meant to furnish information to the FBI, CIA, etc. to prevent terrorist attacks, thwart foreign espionage, and spy on enemy states.




My problem is not with the NSA's existence. My problem is with the vast overreach in power; the lack of any congressional oversight; the mission drift from targeting Russia, China, and Iran, to targeting whistleblowers and journalists.

While individuals in government can be fine, as a whole I trust the government only insofar as the built-in apathy, incompetence, and inefficiency interferes with the all-too-common malicious intent directed against portions of the American citizenry. Like it or not, that inefficiency is the reason Congress and bureaucracy exist, to prevent illegal and malicious actions from being efficiently enforced. But the NSA has been stripped of all of those limitations, and is pursuing its unconstitutional, human-rights violating mission with military efficiency, and you sods are sucking your thumbs and saying you don't mind if the government knows what porn you watch.

Yes. Unfortunately some cannot 'see the forest for the trees'.

Simply opposing political rhetoric is now grounds to be put on a black list. Disagreeing with the government's narrative means you're an enemy of the state and a conspiracy theorist. That is not how it should be. The problem is that it is not getting better, it is getting worse. So for some of you that don't mind your email being read, or your text messages to your girlfriend being read, there eventually is a line that is crossed. For some of us it is sooner rather than later.

Entities like the NSA have been snooping the internet since the days of Carnivore and prior. Their view is that what we don't know can't hurt us. Those of us like myself that champion the cause of the internet and freedom of information completely oppose views such as those. Thankfully there are people who agree with me and those of which helped to get the FOIA passed, but still it is laughable the amount of information that is redacted.
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And yet it's still open source and anyone can still see all the source code and what everything is doing. Reason to worry? Meh, don't see none myself. There's plenty of eyes on the source code for most of the major distributions that slipping in anything would be pretty darn hard, if not next to impossible. At least, for any significant amount of time. I would worry more about the actual desktops / programs one installs ( such as the gnome desktop, or any bit of software ). As those would be a much easier target than an entire infected distribution ( ie. kernel or any core packages to it ).


As to taking a dump with the door open or closed, I do so with the door open. My GF doesn't really care that I do it, though she does joke about it. Done so with guests over as well, I tell them it's their fault for looking / smelling when they knew dang well I was in there. I grew up in a rather large and open family though so I feel I may be the minority on that particular example. There were times when I would be in the shower, one of my sisters on the toilet and another sister at the sink putting make up on, that's just something you get used to in a family like that. We were also outdoors people that went camping / hiking a lot and we didn't have bathrooms. Just find yourself a nice looking bush and take a squat, if someone happens upon you... just say hi and they'll be on their way.
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