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Weird, I used to run with a lvl. 50 farm group back at the launch of the game and I would get 100fps+ even during things like Pete farms and Warrior farms. The rig I used at that time was my Sig Rig White Dragon. I never used a physX card and ran it with high PhysX.
 
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Weird, I used to run with a lvl. 50 farm group back at the launch of the game and I would get 100fps+ even during things like Pete farms and Warrior farms. The rig I used at that time was my Sig Rig White Dragon. I never used a physX card and ran it with high PhysX.

See this is the problem with physx. There are no articles on how individual cards perform or even a testing methodology for it. It's all (no offense to you) just speculation and face value comments, so it's hard to know anything for sure. Like I've said I saw another comment saying that a guy's 690 can't do physx with 4 people.
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See this is the problem with physx. There are no articles on how individual cards perform or even a testing methodology for it. It's all (no offense to you) just speculation and face value comments, so it's hard to know anything for sure. Like I've said I saw another comment saying that a guy's 690 can't do physx with 4 people.
Understandable. I was just stating my experience in Boderlands without a dedi PhysX card with PhysX on high
 
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Wow ok so a lot to go through after a good sleep.

Everything I've read says you can't just slap a very old/underpowered card in there as you guys have said then your gpu has to wait for the card to do the calculations and this leads to degraded performance. Likewise setting it to CPU is a very bad idea as physx was designed to be run on GPU's not CPU's and hence it's pretty bad at doing it.

With physx on med (what I normally play with) I noticed a pretty big performance drop with my card but it was odd. My card would only ever run at about 50% usage. Changing physx to low kicked the gpu to run at 80% usage and I'd get pretty big fps gains. When I play with it on with my 3 friends and things get hectic my fps can drop all the way down to 15 which is just unacceptable for a 780. Even though gforce experience tells me I should put it on high I don't think it realizes that I'm playing with 2 other people. Physx on high with 1 person is pretty easy but doing more seems to make it exponentially harder.

I have however read that even 690's have fps drops to about 30 when playing borderlands with a party of people. But this was just a comment on an article. Sadly physx hasn't really been tested or benchmarked properly so for me at least it causes quite a bit of confusion.

I run the game with everything on max in 1920x1080 except physx which I put to low as I'd rather take the boost to fps than some pebbles and blobs. Also I have a 120hz monitor so I try to keep my fps as close to that mark as possible because it makes it buttery smooth.

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CPU: intel i7 2600k OC'd stable to 4.2GHz
RAM: 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1866MHz
MOBO: Asus Maximus IV Extreme
PSU: Corsair HX1000
GPU: Asus GTX 780 DCII
OS: Windows 8.1
Driver: 335.23

Since I have yet to find any info on any current pc build (with a dedicated card or not) that can run borderlands 2 with 4 people with physx on high and not get 30fps I'm going to assume it's either badly coded or too intense for current gen systems. However due to astonishing lack of info on physx and pretty much no testing with it (or even a physx benchmark app) it's not entirely out of the question. The only reason why testing is so sparse that I can think of is because of lack of an app and maybe a lack of games that support it?

Because of all that I'm sort of leaning towards not bothering. Might as well buy another 780. I don't know, what do you guys think?

I had terrible luck with the 335.xx drivers, so try a clean install of 332.xx WHQL or the new 337.xx Beta drivers. If I'm not dipping that low with my setup at 1440p, there's no way you should be touching 15 fps. Also, have you tried to mess with the View Distance as well?
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Your problem isn't the detail but the quantity in the Physx particles. You need to limit them. My GTX765M on my laptop handles BL2 with Physx on high without any major slowdown and I don't really see any difference. I just changed the Physx properties.

Curious, but what exactly do you mean by this? And what settings did you tweak exactly?
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Weird, I used to run with a lvl. 50 farm group back at the launch of the game and I would get 100fps+ even during things like Pete farms and Warrior farms. The rig I used at that time was my Sig Rig White Dragon. I never used a physX card and ran it with high PhysX.

You're also running SLI, which while you're not using the second GPU as a PhysX card, the system could be offsetting a lot of that PhysX load to the second card. In his (and mine as well) case, single card setups seem to be the problem. I ran the game with flying colors with low PhysX on an AMD card at 1080p before this, so I'd be willing to attribute a lot of it to that.
 
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I had terrible luck with the 335.xx drivers, so try a clean install of 332.xx WHQL or the new 337.xx Beta drivers. If I'm not dipping that low with my setup at 1440p, there's no way you should be touching 15 fps. Also, have you tried to mess with the View Distance as well?

I'll give it a try now. I used to have view distance at ultra high (geforce experience said my card would handle it) but I moved it down to high. Maybe I should put it lower?
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Curious, but what exactly do you mean by this? And what settings did you tweak exactly?

Someone posted this earlier. It's very useful especially for getting rid of bodies. I've noticed more than once a huge slow down on my system because the number of bodies were piling up, especially in the arena areas and their bodies would a ton of loot.

I've read that a 780 + 750/ti can make a mean pair when making it the physx card. I might look into that.

*EDIT Well I failed at my linking. Here is the proper link: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=155088
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I'll give it a try now. I used to have view distance at ultra high (geforce experience said my card would handle it) but I moved it down to high. Maybe I should put it lower?
Someone posted this earlier. It's very useful especially for getting rid of bodies. I've noticed more than once a huge slow down on my system because the number of bodies were piling up, especially in the arena areas and their bodies would a ton of loot.

I've read that a 780 + 750/ti can make a mean pair when making it the physx card. I might look into that.

*EDIT Well I failed at my linking. Here is the proper link: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=155088

Hmmm, I'll give it a good look-see later. And I found that the lower I put it the better the performance, but I still get some drops to the 30s, which I still suspect to be the blame of PhysX.
 
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I know this has been asked so many times but there doesn't seem to be an answer or all the threads are from 2010. There also seems to be very few articles on what is needed to run physx or information on the topic.

I've currently got a 780 and playing borderlands 2 with physx on anything but low with 3 or more people becomes impossible. I've had 15fps at times :/

So I'm curious as to what is the best card to buy to go along with my 780 to just do physx or should I just not bother? I have been looking at a 2gb Gainward GeForce GT 630 would that be good enough?

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Curious, but what exactly do you mean by this? And what settings did you tweak exactly?

From my previous post on this thread
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Physx in borderlands 2 are way more complex than that.
Liquid from barrels, toilets... guns. Cloth too.
There's lots of physx on Borderlands 2 if you crank it up to high. It is a big bottleneck tho, having a dedicated Physx card won't really help because your main card will be waiting for the Physx card.
You need something strong for the Physx, people have said that Fermi cores were stronger for Physx than the newer ones, maybe a GTX460? But imo it isn't worth it.

If you truly want your problem solved just change the Physx properties. (Full blown debris with no limitation, your current problem)
I could copy paste the fix, but I just googled it so Imma link the thread to you.
[SOLVED]Reducing/Removing Particles for PhysX

Some of the settings on Borderlands 2 are set to infinite, that means infinite particles. That something you don't want to happen, if you're looking for the eye candy you just want the most recent ones.
Changing those settings improves the performance.
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I don't think its worth it TBH, the 630 your thinking of would run the physx worse then your current card that runs it all. You would probally need something along the lines of a GTX 760
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For a while I was experimenting with a dedicated PhysX card (X79 rig). I tried a bunch of cards, bought and borrowed, with both my single high clocking 670FTW as well as SLI 680 Lightnings (stable at 1502core/7488mem with Aquacomputer AquagraFX FC Blocks).

The oldest "slowest" card used was a 550Ti, which showed pretty good gains. I went as far as using the 670FTW (1422c/7848mem) as a PhysX card for the Lightnings.

The best card, not just in price to performance, but in ACTUAL performance, for both the single and dual setups, is the 650Ti Boost. I saw gains of around 27-49 percent, and the percentage gain was almost always about 6-8pct higher on the 670FTW single card than the dual cards.

Essentially, it made it possible to run HIGH PhysX while still maintaining a slightly higher min and significant improvement in avg/max fps.

I would definitely consider it if you can get one used, cheap. Ironically, the 660/Ti performance was the worst, odd tho as PhysX doesn't really care about the memory bus.


You want to aim for 1/3rd as many CUDA Cores, when comparing like with like (GK1xx to GK1xx), as Fermi cores are quite a bit different than Kepler, and while they WERE exceptionally good as PhysX computations, they are too power hungry and hot to be worthwhile anymore.
   
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