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Haha, I didn't read the AM thing, what a noobie haha. I think you're saving too much on the case, for a PC gamer; you know you simple don't build such a beautiful PC inside that sweet potato. Also the Windows Home Edition is not worth it. At least you should have put the Professional Edition like I did it makes more sense IMO. That power supply will barely handle a GTX760 and if you want to overclock it, you're pretty much dead, not to mention it's less than 0 futureproof.

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But what I don't get is why is it that the PC version with added eye candy shows stutter while the console version doesn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo-n8j-Vi_g

Yes, we get it that PC is more powerful. But what is the worth of that PC power when the game play experience is not as good as the console version.
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Because of poor optimisation, with consoles it directly talks to the hardware; however this is not the case of PC
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3qSta

That is only twice as expensive as the PS4 and less than twice as expensive than an XBONE and will outperform both of them for years to come thumb.gif

You dont even need to go Intel, but if you do its certainly more optimal than AMD CPUs in most cases these days, my Phenom II, soon to be replaced with an I5 or an I7 is still going, sure its beginning to hold my system back as the GPU isn't working to its fullest because of the CPU bottleneck (new gpu) but easily if someone was to build a system with a 2500k when it got released or 2600k they'd be going for years to come and when they start to underperform just OC them.

My current system outperforms the next gen consoles and the system itself, excluding the GPU and PSU and case were around £300-400 when i first got them maybe 4-5 years back, the only new things are the PSU, GPU and case and a HDD a switched out the otherday for a bigger one. If you build a system wisely you dont need to upgrade major components such as a CPU or Mobo for a good couple of years, I'm sure there's a ton of Sandybridge owners on OCN and in general who game on their PCs, one of the main reasons I've seen CPUs become bottlenecks is when it begins to struggle to keep up with the GPU in general or CPU dependent applications or games like MMOs, and often when it begins to struggle that's because there's a new GPU in the machine pushing it harder.

On top of that there's other people who dont just game, they do video editing, streaming, music production or even programming alongside gaming.

There's a ton of misconception regarding Gaming PCs, console gamers believing you have to upgrade constantly, when the main reason PC Gamers are upgrading is that they are running multiple monitors, crazy resolutions or want to max out everything.
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TLOU has a decent storyline, great voice acting and believable human interactions. The problem lies in the gameplay that offers nothing new. Gameplay is something unique to video games and this is where most console exclusives fail to deliver anything new(aside from Nintendo games). I'd even go as far as saying the most innovative console exclusive after Wii Sports this past generation was GOW. It basically took Killswitch's mechanics as a basis, polished them and transformed the third-person shooter genre. This game deserves all the praise it gets. Uncharted is a joke.
No need to make a build that doesn't even make sense. My current non-upgraded rig was worth less than your suggested build and slaughters it.

To me the only appeal to Uncharted was the graphics, I've played the PS3 versions and that's all there is to it, alongside some cool technical workings under the hood, I've somewhat always looked at Uncharted games as a technical showcase for the PS3 and ND's next Uncharted which is expected to release on the PS4 I believe will do the same.
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Lets not forget subscription based online fees (XBL/PS) are both now 60$ a year right? 760 should be more than adequate enough to play games three years from now, just as my 470 and my friends 580 are still doing just fine. Sure you can't max out every game, but it's enough to look good. Now that might change with new consoles, though we've yet to see it. That CPU being three years old is irrelevant, performance is what matters and by that analogy you could throw in a 8320 and say it's newer yet it performs worse. The fact of the matter is if you truly want to play PC games on a budget you can do so, you just can't jump at every piece of new hardware that comes out. This rules out many of us enthusiast because part of what we love is the new hardware, pushing it, better performance, etc. It isn't money conservative in anyway. In three years alone with the money saved from cheaper games and no online subscription fee you could have your new GPU, that is if you even actually need it. There trades to both but i highly prefer PC.

This.
With those savings they can go on a new GPU a few months or years down the line if you need or want it, you dont even need the newest or fastest hardware to play games on PC and enjoy it, I'm seeing £40+ PS4 and Xbox One games and the PC versions are almost half the price.
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Crappy drivers? In my 12 years of PC gaming I have yet to run into any "crappy drivers" for any of my hard ware. Unoptimized games? Games have run butter smooth for me, except the few ones that are known to have issues (BF4, Rome Total War 2, etc.) which I avoid as I don't impulse buy game upon release.

I myself dont recall crappy drivers, however the "Unoptimized" games I come across are usually not loading the CPU to the fullest, as in only using 2 out of 4 cores, or 3 out of 4 cores. Some are horrendous such as AC3 and AC4, I remember playing AC3 with 20fps in towns at times, it was terrible.

You've got some people that claim there's compatibility issues also, saying they've switched from PC Gaming to the PS4 to avoid it on various forums and sites and the occasional people who worry if their systems can run a game or not, I'm pretty sure any system with a 7850 or 660 isn't going to be having problems running games, they probably wont be able to play them at max settings but they'll run in most cases, my old 6850 was still playing whatever I threw at it, even my old 4850 I found could run Bioshock Infinite at medium settings 30+ fps, it would stutter at 1080p because of it's 512MB ram but I'm sure if it was a 1GB card It would have little to no problems, some of these problems affiliated with PC Gaming have been extremely blown out of proportion, I bet I could slap together a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad and a 4850 and run games at medium settings 720p 30+ fps if I really wanted to if they didn't require DX11. rolleyes.gif
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Haha, I didn't read the AM thing, what a noobie haha. I think you're saving too much on the case, for a PC gamer; you know you simple don't build such a beautiful PC inside that sweet potato. Also the Windows Home Edition is not worth it. At least you should have put the Professional Edition like I did it makes more sense IMO. That power supply will barely handle a GTX760 and if you want to overclock it, you're pretty much dead, not to mention it's less than 0 futureproof.

I like how he talking like he know what he talking about. rolleyes.gif
    
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Haha, I didn't read the AM thing, what a noobie haha. I think you're saving too much on the case, for a PC gamer; you know you simple don't build such a beautiful PC inside that sweet potato. Also the Windows Home Edition is not worth it. At least you should have put the Professional Edition like I did it makes more sense IMO. That power supply will barely handle a GTX760 and if you want to overclock it, you're pretty much dead, not to mention it's less than 0 futureproof.

Wow you really are naive aren't you? Cases are subjective, it's all up to personal tastes, they don't have to be expensive to be "good". Hell I'm using a $30 Xigmatek case I got in 2011 and it suits my needs. There is absolutely no benefit in using professional over home edition for gaming as they are exactly the same OS just professional has more features that don't have any impact on performance whatsoever. here's the differences between the OS's, are you really going to pay $50 more for stuff that you don't need?




That power supply is more than capable of handling that system, perhaps one of the best you can get for that price. More wattage doesn't equal better performance. See this video about power consumption.


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You dont even need to go Intel, but if you do its certainly more optimal than AMD CPUs in most cases these days, my Phenom II, soon to be replaced with an I5 or an I7 is still going, sure its beginning to hold my system back as the GPU isn't working to its fullest because of the CPU bottleneck (new gpu) but easily if someone was to build a system with a 2500k when it got released or 2600k they'd be going for years to come and when they start to underperform just OC them.

My current system outperforms the next gen consoles and the system itself, excluding the GPU and PSU and case were around £300-400 when i first got them maybe 4-5 years back, the only new things are the PSU, GPU and case and a HDD a switched out the otherday for a bigger one. If you build a system wisely you dont need to upgrade major components such as a CPU or Mobo for a good couple of years, I'm sure there's a ton of Sandybridge owners on OCN and in general who game on their PCs, one of the main reasons I've seen CPUs become bottlenecks is when it begins to struggle to keep up with the GPU in general or CPU dependent applications or games like MMOs, and often when it begins to struggle that's because there's a new GPU in the machine pushing it harder.

On top of that there's other people who dont just game, they do video editing, streaming, music production or even programming alongside gaming.

There's a ton of misconception regarding Gaming PCs, console gamers believing you have to upgrade constantly, when the main reason PC Gamers are upgrading is that they are running multiple monitors, crazy resolutions or want to max out everything
To me the only appeal to Uncharted was the graphics, I've played the PS3 versions and that's all there is to it, alongside some cool technical workings under the hood, I've somewhat always looked at Uncharted games as a technical showcase for the PS3 and ND's next Uncharted which is expected to release on the PS4 I believe will do the same.
This.
With those savings they can go on a new GPU a few months or years down the line if you need or want it, you dont even need the newest or fastest hardware to play games on PC and enjoy it, I'm seeing £40+ PS4 and Xbox One games and the PC versions are almost half the price.
I myself dont recall crappy drivers, however the "Unoptimized" games I come across are usually not loading the CPU to the fullest, as in only using 2 out of 4 cores, or 3 out of 4 cores. Some are horrendous such as AC3 and AC4, I remember playing AC3 with 20fps in towns at times, it was terrible.

You've got some people that claim there's compatibility issues also, saying they've switched from PC Gaming to the PS4 to avoid it on various forums and sites and the occassional people who worry if their systems can run a game or not, I'm pretty sure any system with a 7850 or 660 isn't going to be having problems running games, they probably wont be able to play them at max settings but they'll run in most cases, my old 6850 was still playing whatever I threw at it, even my old 4850 I found could run Bioshock Infinite at medium settings, it would stutter at 1080p because of it's 512MB ram but I'm sure if it was a 1GB card It would have little to no problems, some of these problems affiliated with PC Gaming have been extremely blown out of proportion, I bet I could slap together a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad and a 4850 and run games at medium settings 720p 30fps+ if I really wanted to if they didn't require DX11. rolleyes.gif

Exactly, there are lot more uses for a PC than a console so you get a lot more use out of your money and get a better experience overall. PC gaming doesn't have to be all that expensive as my current machine was around $550 and is better than the current consoles in performance as it can handle 1080 @ 60FPS.
Edited by XAslanX - 4/13/14 at 2:49pm
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Is this build good for my brother whom will be playing a few games and Adobe

An 8320 amd £102 a cheap am3+ £35 motherboard

Evga psu cheap for £40

Gtx 750ti £90

8gb-16 £90

Around £390 considering the hdd, ssd.
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Wow you really are naive aren't you? Cases are subjective, it's all up to personal tastes, they don't have to be expensive to be "good". Hell I'm using a $30 Xigmatek case I got in 2011 and it suits my needs.

Well it's just a personal taste. I don't see a PC gamer whose buying an i5 + a gtx760 saving on the case. And no, Im not naive.
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There is absolutely no benefit in using professional over home edition for gaming as they are exactly the same OS just professional has more features that don't have any impact on performance whatsoever. here's the differences between the OS's, are you really going to pay $50 more for stuff that you don't need?


Well you may be right on that regards.
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That power supply is more than capable of handling that system, perhaps one of the best you can get for that price. More wattage doesn't equal better performance. See this video about power consumption.

Saving on the PSU is so but so naive. The PSU is one of the most important parts of a PC, not because it will highly impact on the gaming performance but it's the one to decide whether your PC "lives or dies" after a voltage problem. And 450W is extremely tight for that rig. It may work but if you want to add another 760 later on when games start to get more demanding, with 450 thats not possible.

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Is this build good for my brother whom will be playing a few games and Adobe

An 8320 amd £102 a cheap am3+ £35 motherboard

Evga psu cheap for £40

Gtx 750ti £90

8gb-16 £90

Around £390 considering the hdd, ssd.

From what I've seen from that GPU it packs a decent punch, I think that GPU should be capable of running most games at 1080p medium-high settings 30+fps, Digital Foundry did a review of it.
Here

I'm not entirely sure about Adobe software, never used them on my machine so I'm not sure how they react to multiple CPU cores like that 8320 or if they have GPU acceleration.

Alot of people on OCN would say go Intel, it's not a necessity imo but I find it pays off in the long term but its upto how much you're willing to put fourth on a system, I feel if you want to make it last and futureproof it go for components you feel that are going to last you a good while, however if you've got a budget in mind such as £400 going AMD is ideal in cpu dependent games that dont use over 4 cores and want higher core performance AMDs tend to struggle like my old Phenom II, I'm switching to an I5 or I7 and sitting on that for a few years.
The next generation systems may change this since they have more cores availble so hopefully more cores and threads will be utilized in the future.

I'd say to shoot for minimum 1600mhz ram, 8GB I would expect to be a nice amount of ram, i current have 6GB and that's getting me through most things, 16GB might be a bit much for solely gaming however If your brother plans to use Adobe or editing software this extra ram might become of use.

PSUs you dont really want to cheap out on, for a 750 TI I'd think minimum you would want 450W of a decent OEM, I'm no PSU expert but someone on OCN can probably guide you in the right direction for a PSU.
Personally I'd go for 600W+, those Piledrivers I've noticed are quite power hungry, and if you wanted to add another GPU or a beefier GPU down the line you don't really want to be rebuying components such as a PSU, you'll spend more in the long term, but if you have something like 600W to boot you'd have more power to allocate to other components such as HDDs, disc drives, fans or another/stronger GPU in the future.

Perhaps you should list the exact components you're looking at?
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