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So I traded my laptop to a friend for a 3gb Sapphire Vapor-X 7970ghz and an H80i.. I had been reading reviews on the 3gb variant of this card left and right, and they all show one 8 pin and a 6 pin for power connectors, where the 6gb version with the backplate was the one with two 8 pin connectors. I got the card in the mail, and it is a 3gb vapor-x (no backplate) with two 8-pins, which I do not have on my PSU, even though going by reviews and the PSU calculator I have the wattage, though just barely if everything is under full stress. Also, the cards molex adapter does not physically fit into the plug.

I have been powering the card for the last day or so with just an 8 and a 6, and while the performance obliterates my old GTX 470, it is not quite what I expected. Could the card be throttling a bit under full load from not having the full power coming in?

The only game that truly dissapoints me in performance is my heavily modded skyrim. I went from 12 fps to 25, where in Arkham City I went from 15 fps maxed out to 85+.

I have some money coming in at the end of the month from that 10 year anniversary contest, should I use that to get a new PSU with proper connectors and a bit more wattage for future-proofing, instead of the SSD I had wanted?

Here are a couple of the benchmarks I ran.

3D Mark: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2847101?
Looking through their results I see ALOT of scores from people running a similar setup to mine that are a good thousand points higher in firestrike.

Tomb Raider (Ultimate Preset)


Unigine Heaven (Started with Extreme preset and upped it to my native resolution)


Unigine Heaven (Extreme Preset)

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post #2 of 18
That is strange indeed. My 7950 OC could handle a modded Skyrim pretty handily. And usually parts don't "throttle", they just won't boot, or shutdown if power is insufficient.

Also which PSU do you have, or am I missing where it's posted?
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That is strange indeed. My 7950 OC could handle a modded Skyrim pretty handily. And usually parts don't "throttle", they just won't boot, or shutdown if power is insufficient.

Also which PSU do you have, or am I missing where it's posted?

XFX 550w. Kinda figured people would look at my rig in my signature.
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Oh my bad, I completely missed the down arrow. It's been a long day. Assuming I entered everything into the PSU calculator right, it did come to just under what that PSU claims to run at. Usually it's best to have some overhead, due to PSUs losing wattage as they age. How old is your PSU exactly?

(also if the PCI-e adapter from Sapphire is defective you should have'em send you a new one.)
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The PSU is about 6 months old. As for the adapter.. its really weird.. you know the way some of the prongs are shaped differently from others? It looks like some of them are in the wrong place to fit the plug on the card.
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6 months shouldn't see performance degradation. As for the adapter, you mean how some of them are square and some have a "plateau" shape? I'd contact Sapphire about that, those connectors are supposed to all be standard.
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yep my 7970 vapor x has two 8 pins on it, my dual x has one 8 and one 6 pin.


one thing to try is use afterburner to increase the fan speed, boost the power limit to + 20 and raise the core to 1150 for a little more performance.

I doubt a bigger psu will help any but its not a bad idea for a future upgrade.

also as stated above it wont throttle from a power issue but from heat which you will not see with this card at stock clocks.

it will shut your pc down if its a power issue
 
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post #8 of 18
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yep my 7970 vapor x has two 8 pins on it, my dual x has one 8 and one 6 pin.


one thing to try is use afterburner to increase the fan speed, boost the power limit to + 20 and raise the core to 1150 for a little more performance.

I doubt a bigger psu will help any but its not a bad idea for a future upgrade.

also as stated above it wont throttle from a power issue but from heat which you will not see with this card at stock clocks.

it will shut your pc down if its a power issue

I can't run anything that involves riva tuner when skyrim is open. There's some kind of conflict and my skyrim will not open with that running, and its the only game where I really need the boost.

So overall should I get the PSU or just get an SSD? I was looking at the XFX Pro 750w Black Edition for a PSU.
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I can't run anything that involves riva tuner when skyrim is open. There's some kind of conflict and my skyrim will not open with that running, and its the only game where I really need the boost.

So overall should I get the PSU or just get an SSD? I was looking at the XFX Pro 750w Black Edition for a PSU.


Hmm personally the powersupply That way you can add a second 7970 or something later on but 750w pushes xfire a little bit.


Also on msi install you can opt to not install riva tuner. Its only needed for OSD
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Hmm personally the powersupply That way you can add a second 7970 or something later on but 750w pushes xfire a little bit.


Also on msi install you can opt to not install riva tuner. Its only needed for OSD

I use the OSD all the time, thats why it upsets me that I can't run it. I am new to the newer AMD cards though, I didn't realize you could OC through the drivers. I have it at 1180mhz stable now and the system isn't cutting off, and furmark actually shows less wattage being pulled than my old GTX 470. I think I may have just been overlay ambitious in modding my skyrim. I DO have the FPS in that back up to about 35 though after changing ENBs and its actually prettier. I think I may just get the SSD since I have the cards voltage increased and it's still stable under furmark.

Thanks for the help guys!

BTW.. By overly ambitious I mean.. Well here, this is what my Skyrim looks like.


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