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Hello guys,

I have been wanting to buy good headphones for months now but I am so confused now, I got recommended dac/amp combos like Modi and Magni or EHP-O2D, also being in UK I don't have access to most of the recommendations I am getting, and my friends are telling to just get a sound card like the Xonar STX or Creative ZX and not bother with an external amp, for the DT77 250ohm.

So I don't even know what to do now should I go for the Xonar STX? Will the dac/amp really give me noticeable gain? Please help.
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What's the confusion about exactly? What's the concern? Maybe if you tighten up the description of the issue, you might get a more directed, applicable, and coherent response in turn.

What do you even use headphones for? Music, games, movies, or...? Are you interested in audio processing technologies with some sound cards (e.g. Dolby Headphone, Creative's SBXX

When you mention "noticeable gain," does that gain refer to (audio quality or other) improvement or signal level boosting?


Mid and high end headphones are just like any headphones. You feed them some electric signal, and some parts start vibrating and creating sound. There's nothing that different (aside from some more esoteric high-end headphones using a different operating principle like electrostatics, but you're not looking at those). So you don't need anything special to get a decent sound out of them. It's just that better audio hardware may be able to run them at a higher volume or have a little less imperfections in the signal in some relevant (or sometimes not so relevant) ways. Some headphones, those with higher impedance and lower sensitivity, need a higher output from the electronics to achieve a given volume level, so some integrated computer audio hardware on a motherboard may be on the weak side for those, but part of that depends on how loud you want to listen.
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I was in the same boat as you, ended with Magni/Modi and Sennheiser HD598.
Mikeaj made a good point on exactly what do you want/need out of it.
Myself I wanted external volume nob along with my headphone cord being close to my and not routed to the rear/front of my PC.
HardwareCanucks has some good DAC/Amp reviews on Youtube.

Stay away from the Astro A40 w/Mixamp...atleast my experiance was terrible.
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What Im confused about is some people say dac/amp is what I should get others say I should get a sound card obviously a sound card would be cheaper, what would be a main difference between a good sound card like the STX and for example Modi/Magni or is it just going to sound the same with the DT770 if it will sound the same then I might as well get a sound card right?

Main use would be gaming, CSGO, BF4 I also play Dota 2 I listen to a lot of music (All kinds of music, rock/rap/dnb/electric etc) I also have a loud PC

This is the reason I chose the DT770 as they a closed cans and will block most of the noise from my PC out, also I heard they are very comfortable and I wear my headphones all the time.

Thanks for the quick reply!
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Only thing I can think from a quick pop to hi-fi.org is that: "One major problem with an internal sound card is that it is is directly connected to your motherboard which inevitably introduces noise into the circuit. This problem is much reduced with outboard power supplies on DACs, and even more once you move from a USB connection to optical or coaxial to connect your computer to the DAC."

http://www.head-fi.org/t/575103/soundcard-vs-dac

This may be worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1rXcJuEsy0

By NO means am I an audiophile. I hope this helps
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Well after doing much research, I recommend an amp (I'm using DT990 250ohms) and see from there if you need a DAC or not. I have a Xonar DS and I'm using a Schiit Vali hybrid amp. Everything sounds pretty amazing, so I don't think I'll get a DAC until later.

If you're going to get a DAC/AMP combo though, I recommend the Schiit stack for anything ~$200 you can't do much better. As far as the built in amps in those sound cards, they can power the headphones (my DS powered the headphones) but it doesn't sound 'good'. I noticed before my amp the mids were very recessed and the lows didn't sound "full". The sound was altogether too thin if that makes sense.
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Well after doing much research, I recommend an amp (I'm using DT990 250ohms) and see from there if you need a DAC or not. I have a Xonar DS and I'm using a Schiit Vali hybrid amp. Everything sounds pretty amazing, so I don't think I'll get a DAC until later.

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I'm using on-board right now so I don't have anything to test the headphones with, also the STX and ZX are both rated for 600ohms Im not sure about the Xonar DS, and I cant get Modi/Magni were I live importing could be a bit pricey, only choices I have here are expensive Dac/Amps and Fiio which I heard is worse than an STX
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What about the Audio Engine D1?
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I have never heard of the Audio Engine D1 is it both a Dac/Amp combo?
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This is what I know about it, I think it is just a DAC though... I was going to buy it myself but Amazon was sold out at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usLMRMkVgsI
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