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Edit: The problem I am describing is known as "clipping"

 

On with the original post:

 

So, right now I'm listening to a store-bought CD in Winamp 5.666 build 3516 in Audio Creation Mode, Bit-Matched Playback, 44.1 kHz (44.1 kHz in the Windows control panel as well), and I have Winamps graphic EQ enabled because I need it. Trust me, I really need it. lol

 

An hour ago, I was using Entertainment Mode with some things set to my liking like Surround Mode set to about 45%, Crystalizer at 75%, Speaker at 75% and in Windows 7 this sounded amazing. In Windows 8.1, I'm noticing what sounds like audio compression and it's almost painful to my ears. So after experimenting with different settings, I gave up and switched to Audio Creation Mode as described above and it is MUCH better. However, I'm still noticing a LITTLE bit of compression - I think. It's very subtle and it could be the way the CD was recorded, but I still want to see if I can improve upon this even further. So, now I'm considering that it could be Winamp.

 

Just in case the OP Amps play a role with this (I wouldn't know), I have the LME49720s in the sockets that the JRCs were in and I still have the stock 49710s in their sockets.

 

So anyway, do you have any recommendations for me to try that might give me the purest and highest quality playback of my store-bought CDs?

 

Thank you! :)

 

 

(Just in case you're wondering why this is in the Hi-Fi forum: I am trying to avoid lame recommendations by people who don't really have a clue)

 

 

 

Edit: All I had to do was put Winamp's volume to something lower, like 50% or lower. I'm using about 30% right now and it's giving me precisely what I was trying to achieve. My Windows volume is at about 45% right now with my speaker's volume at it's usual ~60 to 65%. I'm loud and proud with no discernible sound of a compressor-like effect. It's great!

 

Edit: Better still, I'm now using Maiko's WASAPI Winamp Plug-In with Exclusive Mode enabled! All I can say is, wow. I didn't know what I was missing. With Exclusive Mode enabled, I can set the volume to 100% and clipping doesn't occur!

 

Link:http://www.head-fi.org/t/588677/a-short-audiophile-guide-to-winamp-w-maiko-wasapi


Edited by TwoCables - 4/16/14 at 11:00pm
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post #2 of 86
Putting a CD into the CD drawer of a computer is about equivalent to putting a 2 day old Big Mack into a microwave.
The same is true for using Winamp, but worse.

Some more information:
Amplifier?
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First off, if you believe digital data (music files) are just 1's and 0's and that it doesn't make any difference what plays them, then stop reading this right now.

Basically what you want to do is bypass all the audio functions of computer hardware, soundcard and OS and just use the kernel streaming functions in the OS to stream the digital data to an external DAC . Yes, you'll have to buy an external, asynchronous USB DAC
Rip your CDs to a lossless digital format (preferably WAV or Flac.)
For playback software use JPlay. Not JRiver, that's different! The mini version sounds best, but if you want music management JPLAY has that.
Find a kernal streaming driver for your OS.
As for operating systems, currently nothing is better (SQ wise) than a stripped out version of Windows Server2012 R2.

Then you will be:
Copying the digital file(s) to the memory sticks in your computer.
JPLAY does this. Note this is different than "loading" them into memory. The memory then functions sort of like a USB stick (but much faster)
JPlay will then use the digital clock in the DAC to (asynchronously) kernel stream the digital data from the memory sticks to the DAC . This avoids all the jitter that results from using windows clocks (and attendant re-synchronizing).
Output the Analogue signal from the DAC to your sound system (be it powered speaker or an amp and speakers).

I play my music this way.
The computer has no onboard audio nor a soundcard, and I can even play music with my computer in hibernate mode.

Such a system will far surpass the SQ capabilities of your powered speakers but at least you'll be feeding them the best possible signal, and you can always upgrade speakers/amp later.
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Hmm. I'll think about it. Thank you!

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Hmm. I'll think about it. Thank you!

Pretty much any USB DAC will have far superior D/A converters than your soundcard.

You could also just get a good CD player too.
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Pretty much any USB DAC will have far superior D/A converters than your soundcard.

You could also just get a good CD player too.

 

I could use some extra money.

 

What I'm concluding from this is, I just spent almost $170 on my sound card about a month ago and at the moment I'm looking for whatever will get me better audio quality through it for my store-bought CDs without costing me any extra money. The kind of improvement I'm looking for seems like it just needs to be a slight improvement.

 

I just thought of something, but I can't test it right now: could it be due to having my Winamp volume at less than 100%? (volume control is enabled) Or, how about having both Winamp and Windows at less than 100%? I think I heard somewhere that if software volume is less than 100%, then audio compression occurs. What I'm hearing though sounds like what you might hear from like say Creative's Smart Volume - kinda. Fortunately, it's nowhere near as bad as it was when I was using Entertainment Mode. Omg. I had no idea. When I switched to Audio Creation Mode, it was as if someone removed some kind of restriction or something and it allowed the sound to breathe a lot more naturally. If it's possible, I'd like to see if I can get more of that without costing me extra money - and without making me think that I wasted nearly $170 on my sound card (because my sound card kicks my ass).

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Yes, it you set the "Windows Volume Control" to 100% the audio stream will bypass the Windows Mixer.

But then, which has better SQ? Windows volume control or Winamp volume control??????
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Yes, it you set the "Windows Volume Control" to 100% the audio stream will bypass the Windows Mixer.

But then, which has better SQ? Windows volume control or Winamp volume control??????

 

I'd bet that if I set both Winamp and Windows to 100% and just controlled my volume with my speaker's volume knob, then I'd either get the difference I'm looking for, or I'd get clipping.

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I could use some extra money.
...seems like it just needs to be a slight improvement.

Was going to PM this, but you sig makes sense here.

One's audio "life's journey" includes many stopping off places based on what you can currently afford and/or what you ears can currently appreciate. I'm sure you'll eventually get way past "it just needs to be a slight improvement."
Edited by billbartuska - 4/14/14 at 6:56am
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