Overclock.net › Forums › Consumer Electronics › Home Audio › Hi-Fi Gear › Best software for store-bought CD playback for the Titanium HD in Windows 8.1? [Solved]
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Best software for store-bought CD playback for the Titanium HD in Windows 8.1? [Solved] - Page 7

post #61 of 86
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prerich View Post


Well, ok. I kinda forget that I actually use an android tablet for volume control on my system (actually one of the advantages of using a product like JRiver). If I'm not mistaken you sound deteriorates (loses bit depth) when the OS volume is not a 100% - you may also experience clipping by running Winamp at 100% vice the OS. But hey - if the music sounds good to you - enjoy my friend!thumb.gif

 

I'm not experiencing clipping, but audio compression. With Winamp at 100% (or, just something very high, way above 50%), I get what sounds to me like what you'd get when using a compressor or an automatic volume limiter. That means that the dynamic range is being reduced. In other words, spikes in the dynamic range seem to be prevented and it sounds terrible. The music seems to be unable to breathe naturally. It sounds restricted, as though it's a person who can't jump very high when they want to. The "ceiling" is lowered, "compressing" the audio. To be clear, this has nothing to do with the kind of compression you'd talk about when discussing the differences between FLAC and MP3s. This is like when using Creative's Smart Volume or a hardware compressor, or some other kind of automatic volume limiter, only this is producing unpleasant results.

 

With Windows at 100% and Winamp at say 25% (for the sake of argument), it somewhat sounds like I get clipping.

 

Both of these examples are moderated to a comfortable listening level using the physical volume knob on my speaker system (the right-channel satellite, not that it matters).

 

This isn't just Winamp either. After doing some testing, it seems to be universal.

 

To be honest, I don't mind because now I know how to prevent it entirely.

It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #62 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

I'm not experiencing clipping, but audio compression. With Winamp at 100% (or, just something very high, way above 50%), I get what sounds to me like what you'd get when using a compressor or an automatic volume limiter. That means that the dynamic range is being reduced. In other words, spikes in the dynamic range seem to be prevented and it sounds terrible. The music seems to be unable to breathe naturally. It sounds restricted, as though it's a person who can't jump very high when they want to. The "ceiling" is lowered, "compressing" the audio. To be clear, this has nothing to do with the kind of compression you'd talk about when discussing the differences between FLAC and MP3s. This is like when using Creative's Smart Volume or a hardware compressor, or some other kind of automatic volume limiter, only this is producing unpleasant results.

wink.gif What you've described ...the compressing of a signal, loss of dynamic range, restricted and strained sound, is a text book definition of clipping. That what clipping does it cuts the signal peaks and audio sounds fatigued. However, in an earlier post you stated that you are getting the sound you want and all is good, that's the only thing that matters thumb.gif
post #63 of 86
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prerich View Post


wink.gif What you've described ...the compressing of a signal, loss of dynamic range, restricted and strained sound, is a text book definition of clipping. That what clipping does it cuts the signal peaks and audio sounds fatigued. However, in an earlier post you stated that you are getting the sound you want and all is good, that's the only thing that matters thumb.gif

 

Oh. I always thought that clipping resulted in distortion, like a guitar distortion type of distortion.

 

Anyway, I have to wonder now if what I'm experiencing is normal when using a sound card. I may ask around but I'm getting what I want, so meh... lol :)

It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #64 of 86
Clipping gets worse as the volume level (of whatever is clipping) is increased. Then your tweeters blow from overheating trying to play square waves....
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #65 of 86
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

Clipping gets worse as the volume level (of whatever is clipping) is increased. Then your tweeters blow from overheating trying to play square waves....

 

What if the volume level coming out of the speakers is low and  comfortable?

It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #66 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Oh. I always thought that clipping resulted in distortion, like a guitar distortion type of distortion.

Anyway, I have to wonder now if what I'm experiencing is normal when using a sound card. I may ask around but I'm getting what I want, so meh... lol smile.gif
Clipping just lops off anything above a certain level to a flat line, and there is distortion. What you're describing seems to be some sort of limiter/compressor (soft clip). Interestingly (or maybe not) it's impossible to make it through the Windows mixer without passing through it's limiter, it's how an always on multichannel mixer works. I'm just not certain it should be so apparent, it shouldn't limit with only one source and especially if that source is low (below 100% in the applications volume).

Have you tried ASIO and WASAPI (exclusive mode), do you use any EQ? I'd be interested to know if you can detect the same effects when using both of those to bypass the multichannel mixer.
Not SLi any more
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ 4.0 Asus P6TD-Deluxe EVGA GTX770 SC 6GB XMS3 @1530 cas7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel X25-M 80GB OCZ Agility 120GB Intel X25-M 40GB LG Blue ROM DVD RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Water cooled w/ T-Balancer BigNG Win 7 x64 Asus PB298Q Cherry 4100L 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX1000 MM UFO-U2 R.A.T. 7 Contagion G.L.I.D.E 9 
AudioAudio
Xonar Essence STX SR80i, DT770 or HT-R518 w/ Monitor Audio BR's 
  hide details  
Reply
Not SLi any more
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ 4.0 Asus P6TD-Deluxe EVGA GTX770 SC 6GB XMS3 @1530 cas7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel X25-M 80GB OCZ Agility 120GB Intel X25-M 40GB LG Blue ROM DVD RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Water cooled w/ T-Balancer BigNG Win 7 x64 Asus PB298Q Cherry 4100L 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX1000 MM UFO-U2 R.A.T. 7 Contagion G.L.I.D.E 9 
AudioAudio
Xonar Essence STX SR80i, DT770 or HT-R518 w/ Monitor Audio BR's 
  hide details  
Reply
post #67 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

Clipping gets worse as the volume level (of whatever is clipping) is increased. Then your tweeters blow from overheating trying to play square waves....

What if the volume level coming out of the speakers is low and  comfortable?
If there's no clipping you're ready to go.
My suggestion was just a way to help identify a source of distortion.
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX6300 Black M5A99X EVO R2.0 Nvidia GTS450 Team Vulcan PC3 12800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 PRO Asus DRW-1608P (x2) Custom Water Cooling Win7 (Ult), Win 8.1 & Win Server 2012 R2 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2 X Samsung 915N Ducky Shine III, Blue Cherry/Blue LEDs PCP&C 1kw Lian Li PC-71 (W/Window) 
MouseAudio
Logiteck G400s none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #68 of 86
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren9 View Post


Clipping just lops off anything above a certain level to a flat line, and there is distortion. What you're describing seems to be some sort of limiter/compressor (soft clip). Interestingly (or maybe not) it's impossible to make it through the Windows mixer without passing through it's limiter, it's how an always on multichannel mixer works. I'm just not certain it should be so apparent, it shouldn't limit with only one source and especially if that source is low (below 100% in the applications volume).

Have you tried ASIO and WASAPI (exclusive mode), do you use any EQ? I'd be interested to know if you can detect the same effects when using both of those to bypass the multichannel mixer.

 

I haven't tried ASIO because it apparently it only works with a USB audio device. I am using Winamp's built-in EQ because if I make it flat, then it sounds flat and somewhat muffled (Audio Creation Mode in the Creative Console Launcher).

 

Regarding WASAPI: you are right! I just started using it just now (Maiko, thanks to Google) and I do NOT get clipping in Exclusive Mode, but I do in Shared Mode (just as you predicted)! Interestingly, Exclusive Mode also results in an increased volume as well, which is nice because that provides a lot more headroom. Edit: Oh. This is because volume control is disabled which is apparently required for "bit to bit copy".

 

So, I'm definitely keeping this plugin! Thank you for asking because the previous recommendation to use WASAPI didn't get me to try it, but your curiosity certainly did! Weird. :)

 

I love upgrades. lol

 

 

Edit: Also, I disabled "Give exclusive mode applications priority" because with that enabled, I have to close Winamp just to be able to get audio from other sources. So, with this disabled, I can pause Winamp and play a YouTube video if I wanted to.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post


If there's no clipping you're ready to go.
My suggestion was just a way to help identify a source of distortion.

 

What I'm asking is, if I have Winamp or some other media player at 100% and I'm getting clipping, but I have Windows and my speaker's volume knob set to a very comfortable listening level, then will that still make the speakers work hard? I know that I have nothing to worry about now that I've discovered an easy way around it, but I have a feeling that I'm not the only one who will want to know.


Edited by TwoCables - 4/16/14 at 7:46pm
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #69 of 86
Thread Starter 

There's an option in the Maiko WASAPI plugin that, when it's enabled, it disables volume control. Underneath this option, it says that disabling volume control is "the only prerequisite to allow bit to bit copy". What does "bit to bit copy" mean? I mean, I always use Audio Creation Mode with Bit-Matched Playback enabled. If I disable this option in the Maiko WASAPI plug-in (meaning that volume control is enabled), then does that mean that Bit-Matched Playback isn't happening? Does it mean that Bit-Matched Playback only works with the volume control disabled in the Maiko WASAPI Winamp plug-in?

It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
It's a computer!
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
AudioAudio
X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #70 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

There's an option in the Maiko WASAPI plugin that, when it's enabled, it disables volume control. Underneath this option, it says that disabling volume control is "the only prerequisite to allow bit to bit copy". What does "bit to bit copy" mean? I mean, I always use Audio Creation Mode with Bit-Matched Playback enabled. If I disable this option in the Maiko WASAPI plug-in (meaning that volume control is enabled), then does that mean that Bit-Matched Playback isn't happening? Does it mean that Bit-Matched Playback only works with the volume control disabled in the Maiko WASAPI Winamp plug-in?
Yes, if you make a volume adjustment it isn't bit-matched. Bit matched is exactly bit for bit. If you reduce the volume below 100%, say to 50%, a sample that was 1 bit high (the smallest you can have) would become 1/2 a bit, which it can't so it's rounded up or down and is no longer bit-perfect.

Actually it's a bit more complex, Winamp, Foobar, Windows mixer and pretty much all of them re-sample to a higher bit depth internally (32-bit for most of them) then apply volume then back to 16/24 bit with dithering to remove quantization effects. The more sophisticated re-sampling/dithering is supposed to be totally transparent, but still isn't bit-perfect.
Not SLi any more
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ 4.0 Asus P6TD-Deluxe EVGA GTX770 SC 6GB XMS3 @1530 cas7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel X25-M 80GB OCZ Agility 120GB Intel X25-M 40GB LG Blue ROM DVD RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Water cooled w/ T-Balancer BigNG Win 7 x64 Asus PB298Q Cherry 4100L 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX1000 MM UFO-U2 R.A.T. 7 Contagion G.L.I.D.E 9 
AudioAudio
Xonar Essence STX SR80i, DT770 or HT-R518 w/ Monitor Audio BR's 
  hide details  
Reply
Not SLi any more
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ 4.0 Asus P6TD-Deluxe EVGA GTX770 SC 6GB XMS3 @1530 cas7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel X25-M 80GB OCZ Agility 120GB Intel X25-M 40GB LG Blue ROM DVD RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Water cooled w/ T-Balancer BigNG Win 7 x64 Asus PB298Q Cherry 4100L 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX1000 MM UFO-U2 R.A.T. 7 Contagion G.L.I.D.E 9 
AudioAudio
Xonar Essence STX SR80i, DT770 or HT-R518 w/ Monitor Audio BR's 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hi-Fi Gear
Overclock.net › Forums › Consumer Electronics › Home Audio › Hi-Fi Gear › Best software for store-bought CD playback for the Titanium HD in Windows 8.1? [Solved]