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Yes, if you make a volume adjustment it isn't bit-matched. Bit matched is exactly bit for bit. If you reduce the volume below 100%, say to 50%, a sample that was 1 bit high (the smallest you can have) would become 1/2 a bit, which it can't so it's rounded up or down and is no longer bit-perfect.

Actually it's a bit more complex, Winamp, Foobar, Windows mixer and pretty much all of them re-sample to a higher bit depth internally (32-bit for most of them) then apply volume then back to 16/24 bit with dithering to remove quantization effects. The more sophisticated re-sampling/dithering is supposed to be totally transparent, but still isn't bit-perfect.

 

Interesting. Can you describe how I would be able to hear the difference? Or, what I would hear?

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Actually it's a bit more complex, Winamp, Foobar, Windows mixer and pretty much all of them re-sample to a higher bit depth internally (32-bit for most of them) then apply volume then back to 16/24 bit with dithering to remove quantization effects. The more sophisticated re-sampling/dithering is supposed to be totally transparent, but still isn't bit-perfect.
Excellent post +1

There are players that don't re sample though. JPLAY for instance.
Edited by billbartuska - 4/17/14 at 12:55am
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Man, and here I thought that I was just asking a simple question. I'm extremely glad I asked!

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Man, and here I thought that I was just asking a simple question. I'm extremely glad I asked!
I too found that digital computer audio has as much to do with software as it does with equipment. I'm currently using JPLAY (mini) on a stripped out Server 2012R2 installation.
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Have you taken a look at Media Monkey? While I am not really an audiophile, as that requires money, I HAVE found that this software has the best playback quality of any I have used, as well as fantastic media library functions. The base software is free, and does pretty much anything you need. If you DO find that you need the gold version its like 25 bucks. More info on the differences is on their download page.

Also, I found this in their information section.
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If you’re a serious audiophile, use the WASAPI plugin or third Party ASIO plugin to interface with your high end audio equipment.

Edited by DiaSin - 4/17/14 at 1:50am
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Have you taken a look at Media Monkey? While I am not really an audiophile, as that requires money, I HAVE found that this software has the best playback quality of any I have used, as well as fantastic media library functions. The base software is free, and does pretty much anything you need. If you DO find that you need the gold version its like 25 bucks. More info on the differences is on their download page.

Also, I found this in their information section.

 

I don't have a media collection on my computer.

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I don't have a media collection on my computer.

You don't have to. You can just use it for CD playback the way you use winamp now. I switched to it from winamp because of the sound quality difference. It was nothing drastic, but it was noticeable.

I use it for both my digital library and for CD playback.


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You don't have to. You can just use it for CD playback the way you use winamp now. I switched to it from winamp because of the sound quality difference. It was nothing drastic, but it was noticeable.

I use it for both my digital library and for CD playback.

 

Yeah, I just tried it, I enabled its WASAPI plug-in, enabled Exclusive Mode, and it won't play any of my audio CDs. At all. It will only play my CDs if I disable Exclusive Mode. Without Exclusive Mode, I get clipping with the media player set to 100%, and I'm sorry, but I don't want to accept that now that I got Exclusive Mode working in Winamp.

 

Not only that, but I find Media Monkey to be just a little bit more difficult to use. It's not by much, but it's enough that these two things combined made me say good-bye to Media Monkey for good. It's not for me.

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At the current time the best software for digital playback is:
Windows Server 2012 R2 $882.00 --- Free trial available (currently with free reactivation every 6 mo.)
Audiophile Optimizer 100 € ($138.40 US) ---Alas, no trial available (There are some scripts on the Jplay forum that approximate its effects)
Jplay in hibernate mode. 99.00 € ($137.02 US) --- Free trial available (adds 10 sec silence every 3-5 minutes)

This, combined with an asynchronous USB DAC, makes an extremely minimalist setup that basically does nothing but play wav .aiff, .flac. mp4.dsf, or dff. files and will truly amaze you.
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For me, I need it to be free. lol It's not that I want it to be, it's that I need it to be.

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