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Thanks for the feedback, I need a new CPU and mobo for this build. So I will have two computers, not upgrading my current. I was just thinking about updating my current rig so I could use those parts in this build. Are the Corsair not a high-quality PSU?
I was also wondering how loud the 750ti would be with their fans.

 

There are some very very high-end PSUs that Corsair sells, but they, just like everyone else, do not make their own PSUs. Well, except for SeaSonic and a couple of others that aren't very well known (like Super Flower).

 

Anyway, the problem with Corsair's PSUs is that they are usually overpriced. I only recommend them under special circumstances (like, when I don't have a choice or when the sale price is just that good - I don't like being responsible for creating more income for Corsair).

 

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Thanks guys. I was unaware that Corsair had bad quality PSUs.
Can I get feedback on the processor/mobo/graphics card?

 

It's just the VS PSUs that suck. The CX series are a step above that. The GS series are mediocre, basically ok for overclocking but not great. The TX series is better, more solid, better capacitors. I don't know anything about the CS Series, but Corsair seems to be implying that they are the next step up from the TX series. The RM series is in the same boat: I don't know much, but they seem to be one step up from the CS series. Then there's the HX series. All great PSUs. The HX650 is a rip-off though because it only has 2 x 6+2-pin PCI-E connectors when the PSU that Corsair used to create it has 4. How stupid! lol Then of course, the AX and AXi series are their badass PSUs, but some of them suffer from coil whine.

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Thanks guys. I was unaware that Corsair had bad quality PSUs.
Can I get feedback on the processor/mobo/graphics card?

Any reason you're going with ivybridge? I see no reason to not go with haswell, unless its quite a bit cheaper. I would say go for an unlocked processor, just incase you decide you need more of a boost, for say when using the PC to simultaneously on the TV, as an office PC and to record CCTV, I can't see it costing that much more and would make the system last longer. 750Ti should be great for general media playback and uses very minimal power therefore less heat produced and less noisy cooling needed. I would also say going mATX if not ITX would be a good choice as I don't see you using many PCI lanes. Just my general thoughts.
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I would go with the 3470. I had one in my old gaming pc, and now it is in my dad's workstation (Hex Monitors thumb.gif ) It is on 85% of the time and runs like a champ! I would also look at a silverstone strider plus PSU, because they are very small. About 140mm compared to regular psu's which are about 160mm +. As for the graphics card, i would get the 750TI. It doesnt require a pci power connector and it is very small. For a watercooler, i would go with the Cooler Master Glacer 240L AIO cooler. It is basically a rebranded H220 with a better pump. Let me know if you need more help! biggrin.gif
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Any reason you're going with ivybridge? I see no reason to not go with haswell, unless its quite a bit cheaper. I would say go for an unlocked processor, just incase you decide you need more of a boost, for say when using the PC to simultaneously on the TV, as an office PC and to record CCTV, I can't see it costing that much more and would make the system last longer. 750Ti should be great for general media playback and uses very minimal power therefore less heat produced and less noisy cooling needed. I would also say going mATX if not ITX would be a good choice as I don't see you using many PCI lanes. Just my general thoughts.

I debated Haswell and Ivybridge. Haswell requires more wattage for the processors and more expensive, while both CPUs are about the same speed?
Maybe someone can argue this better?

There also seems to be a fan noise issue with the 750 ti. Can anyone recommend a similar card?
Edited by dseg - 4/13/14 at 9:44am
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I was also thinking about installing my OS on a WD Red 4TB hard drive but I am reading that may not be a good idea.
Since I will not be really using this computer daily, is it worth getting a 50-100gb SSD for the OS and streaming the data to the WD Red 24/7?
Or should I be looking at something else for the OS hard drive?
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Some Haswell CPUs can use more power than IvyBridge, but only under workloads where they are actually performing better in the first place. The Compute efficiency is ALWAYS higher on haswell all things being equal (i3 vs i3, or i5 vs i5, same workload, etc etc). This is because the execution resources in a haswell core have been increased significantly (8 execution ports vs 6 per core). Higher peak power consumption under some workloads is always associated with an increase in performance that is greater than the increase in power consumption. If the higher peaks concern you, just pick a haswell CPU with lower clocks to offset the peak power consumption. The 2.8ghz i5-4440S will always use less power than the 3.1ghz i5-3340 but will perform the same or better depending on workload. Haswell has also moved more power-management on-chip, which reduces idle power consumption considerably.

Furthermore, the haswell iGPU would effectively eliminate the need for a discrete GPU in this application. It has one of the most sophisticated fixed function video decoder/encoders you will find on any GPU, discrete or not. Very comparable to a discrete Maxwell GPU and better than any AMD GPU or APU currently made. Supports up to 4K hardware video decoding across a wide range of formats. Since this is not going to be used for gaming, the limited shader resources on a haswell iGPU are not going to be a problem, but if it makes you feel any better, haswell does represent a significant step forward in terms of iGPU performance for intel, the HD4600 is well suited to openCL accelerated workloads and offers plenty of GPU power to provide smooth accelerated interactivity (scrolling, compositing, interface effects, etc etc).


The 8400 GS would be worse than the iGPU in either haswell or Ivy for this computer, totally pointless. Avoid.


Water cooling is often noisier than properly executed air cooling unless the pump and radiator are located in another room.. If you eliminate the discrete GPU and just use ultra-low RPM fans to cool a T or S model haswell you'll have a very quiet PC. I'm not sure which is more important to you, the "look" of the water cooled rig in the cabinet, or the silence. There are some beautiful heatpipe coolers that you could use instead, that would be quieter than water cooling (unless you can fine a dead silent pump? some pumps are louder than the stock intel cooler, the one you have picked out is "rated" less than 40dB (not sure at what distance or conditions). Good air-cooling is typically "rated" under 20dB.


In conclusion. Use haswell for your CPU and use haswell for your GPU and consider just using air cooling for the quietest possible operation:




As far as parts go, I recommend:

i3-4130T, i5-4440S, or i5-4570S, or i7-4770S.
Depends on how overkill you want to go. All will be fantastic and all have 4K hardware video decoder support. If the budget is loose just get the i7 for the heck of it. (3.9ghz turbo on the haswell i7-S will perform as well as an Ivy OCed to 4.5ghz in some workloads)

Noctua NH-C12P SE14
Set it in 750RPM mode and leave it. This will be quieter than the PUMP in a water loop. If you'd like something smaller, the AXP-100 is a beautifully crafted low profile cooler with PWM controlled fan (4-pin). Set BIOS to quiet mode and it will run a ~60W chip very quietly as well.

Asus Vanguard B85
Nice overbuilt microATX B85 board. Perfect for a non-OCing rig that is being overbuilt for the sake of overbuilding. If that won't work and you need to go ITX, the ASRock Z87E-ITX is probably the best value high quality option.

Mushkin Blackline 2x4GB 1600-9-9-9 1.35V
Low voltage kit to stay in theme with the efficiency/cool/quiet nature of the build.

Crucial M550
Or some other nice ~250GB SSD to use as a system drive along side the 4TB red.

Seasonic X 400W Fanless
For obvious reasons.

No idea on a case. There are plenty of cases that will fit there but I can't find anything that could go in there in such a way that you could show off the inside (window) while still having access to the optical drive.
Edited by mdocod - 4/13/14 at 10:27pm
     
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is it going to be a stand alone feature - ie no other goodies like amp, sat box etc, cos i would be inclined to us a an air setup than water, a leak could be costly biggrin.gif
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