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I own Samsung 830 256Gb and I was wondering if switching to 840 EVO/Turbo will have a considerable impact on game loading or OS booting or whether it will be an obvious improvement over the current 830? I do not use RAID.

Also, as a side question - should I be using Intel RST? I applied the latest firmware for it and use the latest drivers. Some say it increases performance and others say they decrease performance. Some say that specifically with Samsung 840, RST needs to be installed to get the most out of 840... Is there data to back that up? Any speed benchmarks?
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Try RST to see what it does for you, but it only works if you have an Intel chipset and have the SATA controller in AHCI mode. You can always uninstall it if you don't like it.

 

You likely won't notice a difference. I upgraded from a 60 GB Mushkin Callisto Deluxe which is a SATA II solid state drive to the 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO, and I'm not really noticing much of a difference. My startup time is maybe 1 second shorter, but beyond that I don't know if I'm seeing much of a difference.

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I do have an Intel Z77 motherboard with custom-flashed RSTe OROM, using UBU. I am looking at DPC latency and Intel RST has one the highest numbers. I bet part of the reason is because it is being utilized all the time. I have too much spare time of my hands, so I am trying to perfect my PC as much as I can.

Some other drivers I want to uninstall and use the default MS Windows ones:
ASMedia AHCI
ASMedia xHCI
Intel RST
Intel MEI

I know Intel MEI does require a specific driver, but I hope I can install it and JUST it, without having to use Intel MEI Setup and only use Device Manager .INF method.
post #4 of 11
You really wont notice any difference. You may have some better benchmarks but in everyday usage they will seem exactly the same.
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Yeah, like I said, I'm not noticing a difference in the huge upgrade that I made from the 60 GB Mushkin Callisto Deluxe to the Samsung 840 EVO. Look them both up and compare their specs. You'd think that I'd be like, "HOLY CRAP the difference is huge!". Nope. My startup time is maybe 1 second shorter, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by MonarchX View Post

I do have an Intel Z77 motherboard with custom-flashed RSTe OROM, using UBU. I am looking at DPC latency and Intel RST has one the highest numbers. I bet part of the reason is because it is being utilized all the time. I have too much spare time of my hands, so I am trying to perfect my PC as much as I can.

Some other drivers I want to uninstall and use the default MS Windows ones:
ASMedia AHCI
ASMedia xHCI
Intel RST
Intel MEI

I know Intel MEI does require a specific driver, but I hope I can install it and JUST it, without having to use Intel MEI Setup and only use Device Manager .INF method.

 

Install Rapid Storage Technology and see what you think.

 

Avoid ASMedia and the ASMedia SATA ports!

 

I don't know what MEI is for. I don't have it.

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post #7 of 11
The 830 is actually better than the 840 (non-pro), but the 840 (non-pro) is perfectly fine and there will be no real world difference between either the 830, 840, 840 Pro, or 840 EVO.
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Excuse my typos - I am still getting used to Corsair K60, which rocked my gaming world!

After un-installing Intel drivers, my DPC latency went down by about 10-15us. nVidia drivers still skyrocket up to 600us, but all other drivers are peachy now! My game load times are now 1-2seconds longer, BUT stuttering I used to have immediately after load screens is GONE! More smoothness after load screens is worth it all the way.

I also disabled ASMedia stuff. I am aware that ASMedia has a bad reputation for having issues, but if you update to the latest firmware, it becomes almost problem-free as long as you stick with MS drivers. Windows 8.1 Pro native drivers after the recently released Update 1 are better than any ASMedia drivers and most Intel chipset drivers.

I am not sure how in the world your board lacks Intel MEI... I think all Intel Z58-87 have it. Look in Device Manager, under System Devices - Intel Management Engine Interface. It also received a new firmware recently - 8.52 something-something for Z77. Station-Drivers is a good place to get the latest drivers for all Intel devices. As far as Intel MEI goes - use the Device Manager .INF installation ONLY. That way you get the best performance without Intel crap-ware.

I strongly advice to keep all motherboard OROMs up to date, using UBU tool. It is very easy to use and it improves performance for quite a few onboard devices. For some reason, Z77 BIOS updating ended, while individual OROM updates are still being released. All in all, update all your motherboard OROMs using UBU and the latest firmware tools, but do NOT install drivers for those devices. Here is more info on UBU - http://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html . It gets a bit tricky when it comes to ASMedia updates. You have to use Station Driver ASMedia USB 3.0 .951 firmware separately from UBU, but to update SATA, you need to download the latest ASMedia SATA firmware, find CMSCORE line in UBU tool and insert the ASMedia SATA firmware... PM me if you want to know exactly how to do it.
Edited by MonarchX - 4/13/14 at 3:30pm
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Excuse my typos - I am still getting used to Corsair K60, which rocked my gaming world!

After un-installing Intel drivers, my DPC latency went down by about 10-15us. nVidia drivers still skyrocket up to 600us, but all other drivers are peachy now! My game load times are now 1-2seconds longer, BUT stuttering I used to have immediately after load screens is GONE! More smoothness after load screens is worth it all the way.

 

Thank you for doing this. I wish more people would just experiment like you did instead of waiting on everyone to tell them what their results will be, which is impossible to truly know without actually going ahead and doing it. Way to go, man. Nice work.

 

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I also disabled ASMedia stuff. I am aware that ASMedia has a bad reputation for having issues, but if you update to the latest firmware, it becomes almost problem-free as long as you stick with MS drivers. Windows 8.1 Pro native drivers after the recently released Update 1 are better than any ASMedia drivers and most Intel chipset drivers.

 

Huh. I'll have to remember that.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonarchX View Post

Excuse my typos - I am still getting used to Corsair K60, which rocked my gaming world!

After un-installing Intel drivers, my DPC latency went down by about 10-15us. nVidia drivers still skyrocket up to 600us, but all other drivers are peachy now! My game load times are now 1-2seconds longer, BUT stuttering I used to have immediately after load screens is GONE! More smoothness after load screens is worth it all the way.

I also disabled ASMedia stuff. I am aware that ASMedia has a bad reputation for having issues, but if you update to the latest firmware, it becomes almost problem-free as long as you stick with MS drivers. Windows 8.1 Pro native drivers after the recently released Update 1 are better than any ASMedia drivers and most Intel chipset drivers.

I am not sure how in the world your board lacks Intel MEI... I think all Intel Z58-87 have it. Look in Device Manager, under System Devices - Intel Management Engine Interface. It also received a new firmware recently - 8.52 something-something for Z77. Station-Drivers is a good place to get the latest drivers for all Intel devices. As far as Intel MEI goes - use the Device Manager .INF installation ONLY. That way you get the best performance without Intel crap-ware.

 

All I said is that I don't have the driver. I didn't install it. ;) I wanted to see if I needed it, and so far, I don't need it. Yes, Device Manager is like, "But this device needs a driver, whatever it is". I reply with, "I haven't need it so far, so keep your shirt on".

 

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I strongly advice to keep all motherboard OROMs up to date, using UBU tool. It is very easy to use and it improves performance for quite a few onboard devices. For some reason, Z77 BIOS updating ended, while individual OROM updates are still being released. All in all, update all your motherboard OROMs using UBU and the latest firmware tools, but do NOT install drivers for those devices. Here is more info on UBU - http://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html . It gets a bit tricky when it comes to ASMedia updates. You have to use Station Driver ASMedia USB 3.0 .951 firmware separately from UBU, but to update SATA, you need to download the latest ASMedia SATA firmware, find CMSCORE line in UBU tool and insert the ASMedia SATA firmware... PM me if you want to know exactly how to do it.

 

I don't have a RAID setup.

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post #10 of 11
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I think that since Intel MEI had many firmware updates and many driver updates, it is quite an important component that deals with all motherboard and hardware parts interacting between each other. If you do not bother with installers, it won't harm anything. Just get the latest firmware, and drivers. Then use Device Manager to navigate to the right driver inf. That way it takes 1 second to install without extra Intel crap. With Intel installer, you would get some bloat-ware with some control panel, etc.

As far as UBU goes - you do not need RAID to use it! The website is Win-RAID, but UBU has little to do with RAID. It upgrades:
- iGPU firmware
- ASMedia USB and SATA firmware
- RST firmware, which does improve stability and performance, but make sure not to use Intel drivers, just the FIRMWARE
- Intel LAN NIC, PXE, EFI UNDI which used to cause some minor issues for me, but not anymore
- CPU Microcode - some swear it helped them achieve a higher OC!

I had many reports that after fully updating all OROMs and firmware, all issues people had disappeared, and the system felt more responsive. I am sure some placebo is involved. Its just like updating motherboard BIOS, but easier and has many updates motherboard makers did not include in newer BIOSes! Its like getting a Z87 for a Z77 without the new socket, lol!
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