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I remember when speed runs didn't consist of exploiting glitches. Back when they were legit, and people going through WHOLE games as fast as they could. THAT was talent. This? Just garbage.

Your opinion. While glitches, exploits, tools, and scripts vastly change the game, it still takes a LOT of work to get to achieve what they did. Its just different work. Its like comparing a starcraft pro to a programmer that has created a bot that plays starcraft, both are very skilled, roughly have the same goal, and put a lot of time into their goal, but they take very different routes. I appreciate both.
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Your opinion. While glitches, exploits, tools, and scripts vastly change the game, it still takes a LOT of work to get to achieve what they did. Its just different work. Its like comparing a starcraft pro to a programmer that has created a bot that plays starcraft, both are very skilled, roughly have the same goal, and put a lot of time into their goal, but they take very different routes. I appreciate both.

It's no longer a speed run when entire sections are skipped. It's a glitch run. Or a speed run w/ glitches if you prefer. It's no longer a simple speed run anymore.

Not even opinion. Logical fact. People were doing legitimate speed runs long before glitch runs.
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So much nostalgia in so little time.

I would have to classify this as something separate from your normal speed runs, this is a tech demo, but sometimes those are still more entertaining than the games themselves.
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It's no longer a speed run when entire sections are skipped. It's a glitch run. Or a speed run w/ glitches if you prefer. It's no longer a simple speed run anymore.

Not even opinion. Logical fact. People were doing legitimate speed runs long before glitch runs.

It's a speed run utilizing any means possible, aside from console cheating of course, with the game up to its latest official patch.

Applying additional standards as to what you consider a speed run is beside the point.

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I remember when speed runs didn't consist of exploiting glitches. Back when they were legit, and people going through WHOLE games as fast as they could. THAT was talent. This? Just garbage.

Garbage? You and just about anyone else couldn't do this if we had 10 years. I'd love to see you try to duplicate this "garbage."
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I remember when speed runs didn't consist of exploiting glitches. Back when they were legit, and people going through WHOLE games as fast as they could. THAT was talent. This? Just garbage.


So according to you exploiting computer logic doesn't require talent ? It may be a different category than a "regular" speedrun, but really finding glitches and bending software is totally legit
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So according to you exploiting computer logic doesn't require talent ? It may be a different category than a "regular" speedrun, but really finding glitches and bending software is totally legit

Speed runs were always "get through the entire game as fast as you can", usually in one sitting. Key words, entire game. When you skip entire sections, it is no longer a speed run, it's an "I started at the first point, and ended at the final boss battle". Sure, they're entertaining, and it's even impressive that they took the time to learn and master all these glitches in perfect sequence *which is what they did, and I'm confident with a lack of a personal/outdoor/business/sex life, any other person here or in the gaming community could pull of such a feat - with that amount of practice, but a legitimate "speed run"? Not really. Speed run with an asterisk.

Edit: inb4 obligatory "Let's see you do it then!". You obviously missed the entire point.
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The only rule in speedrun is to get to the end a quickly as possible.
The logic should not be : A speedrun using glitches is a speedrun without glitches, but a speedrun without glitches is a speedrun that follow the additional rule not to use glitches.
A game is software, if you're trying to do something as efficiently as possible every possibility should be studied.

This is not a forum for console user but one that is fundamentally directed towards PC, with the ammount of hackers and engineers lurking around I doubt many people would agree with your logic (but I'm sure lots of people would rather watch speedruns that don't use glitches).
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Speed runs were always "get through the entire game as fast as you can", usually in one sitting. Key words, entire game. When you skip entire sections, it is no longer a speed run, it's an "I started at the first point, and ended at the final boss battle". Sure, they're entertaining, and it's even impressive that they took the time to learn and master all these glitches in perfect sequence *which is what they did, and I'm confident with a lack of a personal/outdoor/business/sex life, any other person here or in the gaming community could pull of such a feat - with that amount of practice, but a legitimate "speed run"? Not really. Speed run with an asterisk.

Edit: inb4 obligatory "Let's see you do it then!". You obviously missed the entire point.

That has NEVER been what speed runs are about.

Speed runs have always been "beat the game as fast as possible without using cheats or hacks". This includes and highly encourages skipping as much of the game as you can manage... getting to a door that's supposed to slam shut, and skipping an hour of the game. If you just play through the game fast, that isn't even really a speed run.
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That has NEVER been what speed runs are about.

Speed runs have always been "beat the game as fast as possible without using cheats or hacks". This includes and highly encourages skipping as much of the game as you can manage... getting to a door that's supposed to slam shut, and skipping an hour of the game. If you just play through the game fast, that isn't even really a speed run.

You and I have very conflicting ideas then. I'd consider a 2 hour run through of Half Life more of a speed run and more impressive than a 20 minute run, with glitches, any day. Just do yourself a favor, don't go and say "never been what speed runs are about". Clearly we've both experienced different opinions.
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I can't imagine the insane amount of work that was put into making this speed run.
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