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IMO anything the stock game engine and map will allow you to do is fair game. Don't be mad at the speedrunners for using glitches, be mad at valve for making a game that can glitch.
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If you like GTA speed-runs then check out Joshimuz, he does San Andreas runs and has held the world record but lost it recently. The WR is 6 hours and 9 minutes. bruce.gif  

I've seen:P They are pretty great.
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Youtube.
I said it once. "Keep saying"? If you honestly need to exaggerate in an attempt to make a point..wow. redface.gif

Speed runs go back to the 2 scroller games, where there weren't obvious exploitable glitches. Mario Brothers, Chrono Trigger etc.
Hell, even the GTAIII series of games had full playthrough SPEEDRUNS in the 2 hour timeframe. THOSE are full on speed runs. Not glitch runs.

A 2 hour GTAVC full-on, marathon speed run. INCLUDING finding all of the Sunshine Auto's cars.

THAT is awesome.

It's funny that you're so vehemently against speed runs involving glitches, yet it only took me watching a random 5 minute portion of your video example to stumble across him openly admitting to a glitch that he does in the video. He certainly would have done more, if they were known to him. He also talks about tips and tricks numerous times to subvert the way missions are actually meant to be done. Though those aren't "glitches", where do you draw the line? In 3D, and especially open-world, games like this, speed runs are inevitably going to rely on glitches and ways of subverting a "normal" playthrough. There's nothing "normal" about a speed run. The medium was under stricter control and parameters back in the 2D, side-scroller days, but we are in a whole new territory now with new rules. The only limitation becomes how well the game has been patched or what rules a minority of people want to abide by, but that doesn't make any one type of speed run less legitimate or "garbage", as you like to put it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOwGe9u52X0&feature=youtu.be&t=45m21s
Edited by Kaldari - 4/14/14 at 3:45pm
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You don't make the rules either. thumb.gif I do however speak with this little thing called "logic". Not a lot of people who support this brand of "speed running" seem to possess that.

Completing the game usually entails start to finish, not jumping from the start to finish, otherwise you've completed nothing; AND yes I've seen the Ocarina of Time "speed run". He got to the first boss at the Deku tree, and glitched all the way to Ganon from there with a couple backflips. Nothing was completed. He didn't even beat Ganon.

This is the CoD generation, though. What more should I expect?

I don't make the rules, the community does. Everyone agrees it's a speedrun. I don't understand how you can go against what everyone says and make your own definitions.

Glad you've seen the Oot any%. Have you seen the 100%? There's for more gliches in the 100% speedrun than there is in any%. And where is the glitchless 100% at? No where, because it's not a contested category, because as I said, nobody takes it seriously. The two main categories for any game are any% and 100%. Any% entails completing the game as fast as possible under any circumstances, the 100% category on the other hand, is defined by the community who run the game. In the case of Oot, you need all heart containers, upgrades, and collectibles. It's a game by game basis, but not a single person say you can't glitch. What about the SM64 120 star speedrun? There's tons of clips and glitches there. Is that not a "speedrun" either? He still has to do every level and get every star.

What does the CoD generation have to do with anything? The original "speedruns" were done on Quake, doing the exact same thing as this Half Life speedrun. Bunnyhopping and skipping everything. Are those not speedruns either? Skipping all the enemies and only grabbing what you need to complete the level? You can argue semantics and definitions of words all you want, but that changes nothing. You don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm not denying the fact that these particular brands of speed run do exist. It's quite apparent. I'm refuting the whole usage of the word "complete". I COMPLETED high school - I didn't skip ahead to my diploma. I COMPLETED university. I didn't skip ahead to my degree. A touchdown must be COMPLETED to get the point - you can't just skip to the end zone. There is nothing "complete" by skipping parts. Sure, they are entertaining - but "completing"? Hardly.

A more appropriate term would be "beating" the game. You're BEATING it by any means necessary. You're completing nothing. That's all I'm saying.

You need to revisit the definition of completion. Completion is at a simple level, having finished something. Any other criteria added to it then needs to be taken into account. Completion of a game specifies you've simply got to the end whereas all missions would specify that all missions have been finished before it's counted as completed. Any% differs between games, but usually requires a few criteria to be met in order to judge the game as completed. Your specific definition of completion in the example in your post would be a 100% run in a GTA game for instance. Glitchless 100% would again be a different category, anything that used a glitch wouldn't be counted as completed by that criteria.

Edit: Another example, you say you completed college, theoretically you could have never done any work, not turned up and bribed someone to give you the diploma. You'd have still completed college.
Edited by Fusion Racing - 4/14/14 at 4:50pm
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You need to revisit the definition of completion. Completion is at a simple level, having finished something. Any other criteria added to it then needs to be taken into account. Completion of a game specifies you've simply got to the end whereas all missions would specify that all missions have been finished before it's counted as completed. any% differs between games, but usually requires a few criteria to be met in order to judge the game as completed. Your specific definition of completion in the example in your post would be a 100% run in a GTA game for instance. Glitchless 100% would again be a different category, anything that used a glitch wouldn't be counted as completed by that criteria.

Perhaps it's not me who needs to revisit the word.

Go to your employer, tell him you'd like to punch in, go home, come back 8 hours later, and punch out. Tell him your work day is "complete" if you do that. See what happens.

Tell your child to do his math homework without showing the formulas. Tell him to tell his instructor that it's okay, because he skipped right to the answer and completed it. See where your child ends up in life.

They are beating the game, they are not completing it. Completing means doing everything that must be done up until that point. Stop trying to argue logic. They are beating. Not completing.
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com·ple·tion
noun
1. the act of completing.
2. the state of being completed.
3. conclusion; fulfillment: Her last novel represented the completion of her literary achievement.
4. Football. a forward pass that has been completed.


complete
adjective
1. having every necessary part or element; entire
2. ( prenominal ) thorough; absolute:

Beating.
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Perhaps it's not me who needs to revisit the word.

Go to your employer, tell him you'd like to punch in, go home, come back 8 hours later, and punch out. Tell him your work day is "complete" if you do that. See what happens.

Tell your child to do his math homework without showing the formulas. Tell him to tell his instructor that it's okay, because he skipped right to the answer and completed it. See where your child ends up in life.

They are beating the game, they are not completing it. Completing means doing everything that must be done up until that point. Stop trying to argue logic. They are beating. Not completing.

Depends on my employers criteria to judge a work day as completed. It that is that I have to stay there all day, it wouldn't be complete had I gone home.

You could complete the homework in any way you wanted if no one specifies what they will judge as completed. If the teacher wants it with all the formulas written out fully then you would obviously have to do that for it to be completed. If they don't I could just hand it in with the correct answers, it's completed.

They're completing the game. For example a GTA runner can complete a game in several different ways, they're all still valid states of completion because that's judged on the category they're running. An any% run wouldn't be judged as completed for all missions though.

As I've said multiple times, for this category, for Half Life, for it to be judged as completed, all they have to do is get from the moment they gain control to the moment they lose it without cheats/outside assistance. There's no argument against that being completed - they're not running glitchless, no skip, no bhop, single segment, no saves - if they were then it wouldn't be complete.
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I think it's hilarious that y'all are still bickering about this.
    
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I think it's hilarious that y'all are still bickering about this.

I've literally got nothing better to do. Seriously though, we're both right.
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Perhaps it's not me who needs to revisit the word.

Go to your employer, tell him you'd like to punch in, go home, come back 8 hours later, and punch out. Tell him your work day is "complete" if you do that. See what happens.

Tell your child to do his math homework without showing the formulas. Tell him to tell his instructor that it's okay, because he skipped right to the answer and completed it. See where your child ends up in life.

They are beating the game, they are not completing it. Completing means doing everything that must be done up until that point. Stop trying to argue logic. They are beating. Not completing.
Beating.

Why are you even arguing over this? When did your argument change from "this isn't a speedrun" to "wahh they didn't complete the game". Also, cherry picking a single definition of a word doesn't make you right, either.
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Full Definition of COMPLETE
1
a : having all necessary parts, elements, or steps
b : having all four sets of floral organs
c of a subject or predicate : including modifiers, complements, or objects
2
: brought to an end : concluded

3
: highly proficient
4
a : fully carried out : thorough
b : total, absolute
c of a football pass : legally caught
5
of insect metamorphosis : characterized by the occurrence of a pupal stage between the motile immature stages and the adult — compare incomplete 1b
6
of a metric space : having the property that every Cauchy sequence of elements converges to a limit in the space
— complete·ly adverb
— com·plete·ness noun
— com·ple·tive adjective
— complete with
: made complete by the inclusion of
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