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For someone building a HTPC Kaveri doesn't really save space, as it lacks 4K hardware decoder support. Would have to abandon the iGPU and use an Nvidia discrete card in a 4K ready HTPC build.

Talk about an enormous half-baked oversight. I can't believe Kaveri was allowed to go to the shelves without a fixed function hardware decoder for 4K. What sort of a joke is this? Haswell has it, nearly every Kepler card has it, nothing from AMD on this front. Isn't like half the market for an APU in HTPC environments?
     
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For someone building a HTPC Kaveri doesn't really save space, as it lacks 4K hardware decoder support. Would have to abandon the iGPU and use an Nvidia discrete card in a 4K ready HTPC build.

Talk about an enormous half-baked oversight. I can't believe Kaveri was allowed to go to the shelves without a fixed function hardware decoder for 4K. What sort of a joke is this? Haswell has it, nearly every Kepler card has it, nothing from AMD on this front. Isn't like half the market for an APU in HTPC environments?

Well this is just wrong. Where did you get this information?

It just won't display 4k@60hz until HDMI 2.0.

Currently it supports 4k@30hz only
Edited by OldCrow - 4/17/14 at 8:42pm
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When HSA
Well this is just wrong. Where did you get this information?

It just won't display 4k@60hz until HDMI 2.0.

Currently it supports 4k@30hz only

DISPLAYING 4K is different than DECODING a compressed 4K video.

There's talk of an HSA accelerated HVEC decoding support for 4K, but that doesn't solve the greater issue and isn't even available at this time (vapor-ware till proven otherwise, as this is not the first time AMD has tried to implement hardware decoding via shaders, last time they said they were going to do it they never delivered a working solution), there's already 4K content out there and 4K TV/monitors and formats that Kaveri will never be able to decode.
     
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I agree APU cannot give the value that cpu+gpu can give but they are good for pre-built pc market and htpc's and laptops.
    
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op forgot to add the price boards

good fm2 boards are $60-80

good i3 board is $45

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$40-50 motherboards are available for both 1150 and FM2+ sockets. They are ALL emachine class junk motherboards that are not worth taking on the risk of using in a build that doesn't come with a warranty that covers the machine as a whole for at least a year. The point of building, is to avoid that sort of stuff. Building, and then choosing a $45 OEM-rebadge motherboard is just as counterproductive as building with a HEC/Apevia/DIablotek PSU.

The biggest benefit of building a machine, is being able to discern and weed out quality problems before the machine is assembled. When we abandon that benifit, and go for cheap, then what we wind up with, is an emachine/dell/gateway/acer/cyberpower walmart class computer without a warranty. There's no value there.
     
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What about dual graphics? In some/most situations(ie, besides RTS games and some ultra demanding games that can use more than 2 modules), a 7850K+R7 250 can match/outperform a 4670K=same card. Lookie here:http://blackholetec.com/drupal7/article/amd-a10-7850k-kaveri-review-page-14
    
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No rational system builder would pair a $230 i5 with a ~$85 GPU with gaming as the goal, so it's an irrelevant hypothetical that doesn't paint a picture of a realistic alternative. For the price of 7850K+R7 250 we could buy an FX-6300/i3-4130+R9 270, which would offer better performance in more existing software than the 7850K+R7-250.
     
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With those prices its not worthy, however, in my country (Peru), for example:

A8 6600k -> $118
GSkill 2x4gb 1600 -> $105

Total: $223

Core i3 -> $158
R7 250 -> $117
GSkill 2x4gb 1600 -> $105

Total: -> $380


Athlon 750k -> $101
R7 240 - 6670 -> $100
GSkill 2x4gb 1600 -> $105

Total: -> $306

R7 260 -> $179
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These are from two of the cheapest stores you can find.
Edited by mirko - 4/19/14 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by ffejrxx View Post

op forgot to add the price boards

good fm2 boards are $60-80

good i3 board is $45

i did a pentium g 3220 /w h81 board for a friends mom, $90+tax at microcenter
also picked up a 120g ssd ($50), 1x4g 1600 ram dimm ($32), card reader ($10), and dvd drive ($15)
total was $200+tax

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A $45 board for an i3 is garbage. Somehow magically, for next to nothing, you get a "good" board for an Intel processor? Doesn't work that way.
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