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post #11 of 34
Gentle Typhoon AP-45s (aka AP-00) are a completely different fan than a Gentle Typhoon AP-30. There really shouldn't be any comparisons made between them in how they might behave connected to a fan controller.

The AP-45 is a 2150rpm fan of the same grey blade "low-speed" design as the 1850rpm AP-15 and the 1450rpm AP14. It has an operating range of 5v to 13.2v. It's not surprising it can be voltage controlled down to a slow speed. I suspect the same will not be true with the AP-30

The AP-30 is a 4150 rpm version of the Gentle Typhoon black blade "high speed" design (more comparable to many Delta fans than they are to any of the 'low-speed' Gentle Typhoons), and it only has an operating voltage range of 10.2v to 13,2v, so I would assume that there is not likely going to be a whole lot of speed adjustment possible with a fan controller and you will probably have to turn it upwards of 80% just to get the fan blades to start moving, and when they do I seriously doubt they will be going anywhere near as low as 1000rpms. My bet is it's going to be a pretty loud fan at the slowest speed it will run at, which is liable to be over 2000rpms.

The AP-29 is of the same black blade "high-speed" design, so perhaps some comparison could be made there, but it's a 3000 rpm fan compared to the AP-30s 4150rpms (almost 40% faster), so I think it's probably a safe bet that the AP-30 is going to be quite a bit louder fan than the AP-29 at its slowest operating speeds.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 4/15/14 at 4:57am
post #12 of 34
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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

Best fan controller out there for your money is the Lamptron CW611.
Could be a bit overkill if all you want to control is your 2 fans.

The CW611 will be able to bring them down below 600 rpm for sure.
Not that you would need them that slow.

1000 rpm should be silent enough.

It can ranp up the fan speed automatically based on temperature.
Will accept flow meters displayed in Gal./min or Liter/hour.
Control your pump(s) and LEDs as well.

Are you sure? I didn't think an ap-30 could slow down that much, even with pwm.

Its because they can't Low,I have some of these fans,they slow to minimum of 1200/1400 rpm then they stop.
Any 30w per channel controller will do,I had mine on a FC5.
The 611 is good on paper and for straight fan control,they are
However,the flow meter function is out by a mile.
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post #13 of 34
Actually the flow meter on the CW611 works very well, but only with the Koolance flow meters and their frequency adapter. Darlene (IT Diva) discusses the results of some testing she did with a Koolance flow meter & adapter in the CW611 threead. Other flow meters just give an rpm pulse that will get misinterpreted by the CW611 if you are looking at the LPM/GPM rates.
post #14 of 34
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@B NEGATIVE so b negative it sounds like you have owned or do own or are very familiar with the ap-30's? If so sounds like the fc5 would be my best bet in overall performance and functionality? Remember price is not an issue I simply want the controller that will perform the best and has accurate readings.

Thank you all once again
post #15 of 34
Money no object? AquaC xt6.
Money a bit of a concern? The CW611.
Budget controller? The FC5v3

Like most things,you get what you pay for.
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post #16 of 34
Look at the Aquacomputer Aquaero 6, best controller made IMHO, but it cost $200. Then look at the Aquaero 5LT, does much the same with the Aqua suite software and it's only $70. All control is software based, no front panel or lcd screen.
post #17 of 34
I have two Koolance flow meters on my CW611.
I can tell you that they are both accurate to within 0.05 gal/min.

I hav not tried any other flow meter with it.

Here are the things I don't like about the CW611:

- Dial button can be a bit of a pita to turn....has a mind of it's own
- Auto fan curve can't be set to below 25° C. That's a bad idea for extreme rigs with lots of raddage.
- Fan rpm (from my fans anyway) are reported at 0 any time below 1000 rpm.
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post #18 of 34
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Its because they can't Low,I have some of these fans,they slow to minimum of 1200/1400 rpm then they stop.
Any 30w per channel controller will do,I had mine on a FC5.
The 611 is good on paper and for straight fan control,they are
However,the flow meter function is out by a mile.

I don't know what the AP-30 is rated at.
But Nidec rates my AP-45 at 5 to 13.2 operating voltage.
Never the less, I can start them at far lower voltage without problems.
They start on the 3.3V wire, and they also start at 1.2V (10% power) on my CW611.
So I have no doubt the AP-30 can be brought down to 4V (33%) sub-1000 rpm speeds.....probably even lower.
Still a Gentle Typhoon at 1200 rpm is very tolerable.
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post #19 of 34
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I don't know what the AP-30 is rated at.
But Nidec rates my AP-45 at 5 to 13.2 operating voltage.
Never the less, I can start them at far lower voltage without problems.
They start on the 3.3V wire, and they also start at 1.2V (10% power) on my CW611.
So I have no doubt the AP-30 can be brought down to 4V (33%) sub-1000 rpm speeds.....probably even lower.
Still a Gentle Typhoon at 1200 rpm is very tolerable.

I have never had an AP-30, but I have serious doubt that is the case.
B Neg's evidently had experience with the fans and says different.

I linked to the spec sheet from Nidec and listed what the AP-30 is rated at in the first reply on this thread, and it is nothing at all like your AP-00 (AP-45). The 4250rpm AP-30 is a beast of a fan with a min operating voltage of 10.2 volts that is more than double the min 5 volts that your 2150rpm AP-45 is rated to run at.
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Manufacturer spec sheet (PDF): http://www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C_hi.pdf

That fan is rated at 0.56 operating Amps = 6.72 watts
Its starting amp rating is 1.35 amps = 16.2 watts.
Its operating range is between 10.2 to 13.8 volts.
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post #20 of 34
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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

Its because they can't Low,I have some of these fans,they slow to minimum of 1200/1400 rpm then they stop.
Any 30w per channel controller will do,I had mine on a FC5.
The 611 is good on paper and for straight fan control,they are
However,the flow meter function is out by a mile.

I don't know what the AP-30 is rated at.
But Nidec rates my AP-45 at 5 to 13.2 operating voltage.
Never the less, I can start them at far lower voltage without problems.
They start on the 3.3V wire, and they also start at 1.2V (10% power) on my CW611.
So I have no doubt the AP-30 can be brought down to 4V (33%) sub-1000 rpm speeds.....probably even lower.
Still a Gentle Typhoon at 1200 rpm is very tolerable.

This difference between me and you in this is that i have the fans in question. What you think and what is actually known are 2 different things......
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