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I play CS:GO competitively on the highest level and I want to invest in a set that is 100% for gaming.

I want to be able to pin-point as exactly as possible where the sound is coming from and I couldn't care less for audio quality, because I already own something else that is great for my music.

I can't really understand if surround virtual is going to be better than a true 5.1 system.

Unfortunately the world of gaming is full of products that are told to be good, but they are actually no more than marketing gimmicks - this is making my pre-purchase research pretty hard...

I want something with an attached mic, even if it's overpriced, or if it sounds worse.

Currently I'm looking at the Corsair Vengeance 1500 V2 Usb Dolby 7.1 because it seems to be what I need: I can have the same sound in any computer or laptop I need to play with, since sometimes I need to play on LAN, but again, marketing gimmicks and generic reviews can't tell me if it's a good product or not.

Basically I want to hear people all around me, on top or bellow me, etc, etc, etc. Have that unfair advantage.


Max budget: $150 for the headset plus sound card (probably a xonar dg) or just for the headsets if they are capable of delivering.
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Have you tried Razer Surround with your current headphones/Fiio yet?
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Have you tried Razer Surround with your current headphones/Fiio yet?

Is it free?

Plus I can't find any comparisons between it and dolby.
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You will still use Dolby with that. There are 3 types of surround sound. Dolby, DTS and PCM. Dolby true HD, DTS master audio, and linear PCM are the best from the 3. Then Dolby and DTS have other flavors like Dolby digital, etc. go to DTS, and dolbys sites and they will explain it to you. PCM is lossless and really only has one form. If you use the highest form of any of them they are all lossless audio and are if equal quality.

Some games use Dolby, some DTS some PCM and some use more than one.

The software he linked will just help you fine tune delays, levels, EQ etc. it's not a type of surround sound, it's there to enhance the surround sound if you need it.
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You will still use Dolby with that. There are 3 types of surround sound. Dolby, DTS and PCM. Dolby true HD, DTS master audio, and linear PCM are the best from the 3. Then Dolby and DTS have other flavors like Dolby digital, etc. go to DTS, and dolbys sites and they will explain it to you. PCM is lossless and really only has one form. If you use the highest form of any of them they are all lossless audio and are if equal quality.

Some games use Dolby, some DTS some PCM and some use more than one.

The software he linked will just help you fine tune delays, levels, EQ etc. it's not a type of surround sound, it's there to enhance the surround sound if you need it.

Thanks for the input! In other words Razer surround is another ridiculous gimmick from a company based on the quality of it's marketing and not on the quality of the actual products.... Hm...

I'll take a look at the websites from those 3 names you mentioned.
I will also try to find out what works best with CS:GO.
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Thanks for the input! In other words Razer surround is another ridiculous gimmick from a company based on the quality of it's marketing and not on the quality of the actual products.... Hm...

I'll take a look at the websites from those 3 names you mentioned.
I will also try to find out what works best with CS:GO.
I don't know if it's a gimmick or not. I think you're looking at this wrong. Audio is never reproduced the same twice. People have different speakers, amps, room acoustics etc. no I've is using the sane equipment that the people used who mixed the audio. For us to be able to get close to how they intended for us to hear it we need 3rd party software. Even on the highest end AVR it uses an auto calibration tool like audysey multi EQ.

We need this software to try and make our audio setups reproduce the sound the audio technician wants us to hear. I'm not saying you need the one he linked but you will need something. Surround sound is designed for 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setups not headphones. For you to be able to take something that wasn't designed to be right on your ear you will need software to help adjust for wearing headphones instead of using actual big speakers.

Whatever headphones you decide on and no matter if the game uses DTS, Dolby or PCM you will need another software to help your headphones know where the sound should sound like it's coming from. The software will also be able to tune in certain frequencies to help you hear footsteps or gunshots over top other sounds. This will not be how the sound designers intended you to hear it but it will give you an advantage that only additional software can.


You should really go check out the AVS forums or another audio site. You will get people there who know everything about home theater and gaming PC audio.

I wish I could just tell you what to buy but I'm not a headphone guy when it comes to gaming. I know how it works but There's just no replacing a big subwoofer and nice speakers. I only play at home so there's no need for me to take my audio with me.
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I've used Dolby Headphone (on my Xonar ST) and Razer Surround extensively, and I prefer Razer Surround. It has better positioning, and it doesn't have that annoying revurb effect DH has. Razer Surround isn't a gimmick, it's true binaural audio, the real deal. Just be sure to disable all the other effects.



I don't quite understand what bevo is talking about, but it's different than DH or Razer Surround. I thought DTS, PCM and such are just different ways of encoding multi channel audio, and I thought most games use PCM. DH/RS actually produce the simulated speaker/binaural effect, DTS has nothing to do with that.
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I've used Dolby Headphone (on my Xonar ST) and Razer Surround extensively, and I prefer Razer Surround. It has better positioning, and it doesn't have that annoying revurb effect DH has. Razer Surround isn't a gimmick, it's true binaural audio, the real deal. Just be sure to disable all the other effects.



I don't quite understand what bevo is talking about, but it's different than DH or Razer Surround. I thought DTS, PCM and such are just different ways of encoding multi channel audio, and I thought most games use PCM. DH/RS actually produce the simulated speaker/binaural effect, DTS has nothing to do with that.
That's what I meant by the DTS, Dolby and PCM. The games are encoded with those and then you put another form of software in there to help out such as the razer one.
I'm just saying with headphones you more than likely need software to help headphones out. Just pass through audio isn't enough.
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I've used Dolby Headphone (on my Xonar ST) and Razer Surround extensively, and I prefer Razer Surround. It has better positioning, and it doesn't have that annoying revurb effect DH has. Razer Surround isn't a gimmick, it's true binaural audio, the real deal. Just be sure to disable all the other effects.



I don't quite understand what bevo is talking about, but it's different than DH or Razer Surround. I thought DTS, PCM and such are just different ways of encoding multi channel audio, and I thought most games use PCM. DH/RS actually produce the simulated speaker/binaural effect, DTS has nothing to do with that.
That's what I meant by the DTS, Dolby and PCM. The games are encoded with those and then you put another form of software in there to help out such as the razer one.
I'm just saying with headphones you more than likely need software to help headphones out. Just pass through audio isn't enough.

But don't games just use PCM? I though DTS/Dolby were just used for compressing audio and sending it over optical or something else.
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But don't games just use PCM? I though DTS/Dolby were just used for compressing audio and sending it over optical or something else.
I use hdmi for my receiver out of my gpu. Maybe it is just PCM. I'll have to look and see. I thought though some oc games were starting to support Dolby and DTS. I don't think nvidia cards have the ability to bitstream so my receiver just says multi channel in. Maybe someone with an amd card and receiver can let us know. I think they can bitstream with AMD.
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