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Maybe...if it wasn't 32MB small. Even the 4770K has 128MB of eSRAM-like memory on die.

Granted eSRAM was added to help the slower DDR3 so it was a last moment type thing but MS really screwed up with how much they put on. 64 to 128MB would have been much Much MUCH better!!!

THAT'S RIGHT!!!

>>> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested

even intel future proofed, goes to show MS could have put more in there and it could have been useful HOWEVER they weren't wrong, even in the review it shows marginal gains after 32mb BUT, the xbox is expected to last at least 5 years.
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that ESRAM seems to be a puzzle that needs clarification , i think it might be helpful in the future somehow

They are already maxing it out according to one article I read several months ago.
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Harsh... lol
Not entirely undeserved. AMD is already behind Intel in terms of IPC by a couple generations on the desktop side of things, and that's with their latest Steamroller desktop cores. These are Jaguar cores meant to be very low power (ie competent for use in tablets at best), so not only are these cores weak, they're slow (only 1.6GHz). 4 steamroller cores would blow 8 Jaguar cores out of the water, albeit at much higher TDP. Not exactly going to fault Sony or MS tho, they picked the APU design with the best iGPU potential by a long shot, and in turn had to compromise quite a bit when it came to CPU power. But that compromise landed them a much better GPU option, and going with an APU probably saved us ~$100+ on MSRP.
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Lol learn to write proper code and the cpu wont be a bottleneck.

Must be mad cause they cant create games that use single cores on cpu anymore.
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To bold... hence "learn to write proper code".

This is game programming, not application programming.

wow, you're just spewing ignorance all over the place. Its not so simple as making things more efficient. It isn't hard to come up with a situation where a single, yet much faster, core can perform tasks that a whole bunch of slower cores simply cannot do, no matter how optimized.
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The xbox is expected to last at least 5 years.
It is expected to last 10 years.

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Not entirely undeserved. AMD is already behind Intel in terms of IPC by a couple generations on the desktop side of things, and that's with their latest Steamroller desktop cores. These are Jaguar cores meant to be very low power (ie competent for use in tablets at best), so not only are these cores weak, they're slow (only 1.6GHz). 4 steamroller cores would blow 8 Jaguar cores out of the water, albeit at much higher TDP. Not exactly going to fault Sony or MS tho, they picked the APU design with the best iGPU potential by a long shot, and in turn had to compromise quite a bit when it came to CPU power. But that compromise landed them a much better GPU option, and going with an APU probably saved us ~$100+ on MSRP.

wow, you're just spewing ignorance all over the place. Its not so simple as making things more efficient. It isn't hard to come up with a situation where a single, yet much faster, core can perform tasks that a whole bunch of slower cores simply cannot do, no matter how optimized.

Dont get confused. Jaguar is a different architecture than the SR. They have better IPC but they lack the clockspeed. I think jaguar is faster than atom clock to clock.And IPC means nothing. You only care about IPS
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CPU is fine. Yes it hard to optimize because it has 8 core. They cant expect to fully utilize 8 core in first year of PS4. With time the CPU will get better.
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to bad the engineer team should have implemented a turbo mode just for this reason. Maybe power down 2 cores to a certain frequency and up the others(or w/e is needed), while staying in the same power and thermal range.
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to bad the engineer team should have implemented a turbo mode just for this reason. Maybe power down 2 cores to a certain frequency and up the others(or w/e is needed), while staying in the same power and thermal range.

Or just stuck with the Phenom II architecture and not gone through all this BS with the FX line.

They're JUST NOW starting to bypass the Phenom II architecture...and not even on a per core, clock-for-clock basis. rolleyes.gif
     
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design wise the K10 was on its last leg. Not only that the fx line performs better in gaming core for core, even with a matched overclock percentage. That right there shows that k10 really had no room for improvement. Let's drop this k10 crap already.
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To bold... hence "learn to write proper code".

This is game programming, not application programming.
Games are so much easier to code in serial , thats the point. Its not as easy as you may think to code in parallel threads. Applications, are on the other hand much easier to program in parrrel.
Edited by DarkBlade6 - 4/14/14 at 9:52pm
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to bad the engineer team should have implemented a turbo mode just for this reason. Maybe power down 2 cores to a certain frequency and up the others(or w/e is needed), while staying in the same power and thermal range.

Bad idea. It would have just encouraged lazyness to use 2 cores or whatever.
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