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MIcro-stuttering, screan tearing, whatever it is I'm sick of it.

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
I just upgraded to an SSD last weekend (Samsung 840 Evo), and with it a fresh Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit with all the updates. While it has been a bit tedious getting all my apps back there is only one thing bothering the hell out of me. I get a constant micro-stutter/screen tearing while scrolling, and the old school win 95 issues with dragging windows. I think Pics are the best way to describe this.



http://1drv.ms/1p5pNWt

You can also see that there is a slight delay in windows reappearing, like in the 2nd photo.

This is using AMD 13.12 drivers,

I have tried:
previous and beta drivers (14.3 turned all my windows pink blinksmiley.gif )
No drivers at all
overclocks, and no overclocks
HW acceleration
Aero, and classic themes
and so many other settings that I never knew existed.


Nothing seems to make any difference. So I turn to you guys (and gals?), looking for help. At this point I'm open to almost anything, short of an OS reinstall.
post #2 of 9
What you're experiencing is neither micro-stutter nor screen tearing (that occurs in 3D applications and video, not the desktop). It looks like your windows explorer is having issues. If you click on the messy window, does it lock up on you?
post #3 of 9
The issue in your screenshot, even if the Windows Explorer is somehow behaving buggy for you, if you enable Aero, it should still look fine despite there being an issue. With Aero, the windows will all get their own area inside the graphics card's memory. The GPU can then slap them on top of each other without programs ever having to redraw the contents of their own window.

If you don't like the looks of Aero, I recommend to try to disable the see-through parts of the windows to make it look less busy. You get to that option if you click on "window color" at the bottom of the Personalize window (the one you get to from the right-click menu on desktop).

About what Broseidon said about Explorer... it also looks like that to me. I bet you'll get exactly the behavior he talks about when you click on those windows while they have that issue (will show "unresponsive" in the title bar).

To research that issue with explorer.exe, there's two things you can do:

(1) disable all start-up programs as an experiment (I think msconfig helps to do that in Windows 7?)

(2) research what extensions running inside explorer.exe are at fault with http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html

About (2), there's a lot of plugins running inside explorer.exe all the time. You can sort the list by product name or company and that might help. The Microsoft stuff should all be fine.

It might also be something about the services being at fault. You can also diagnose that with msconfig. You go to its services view and hide all Microsoft services with that check box in the bottom left, then disable all services with the button that does that, restart.

You should also check if disabling your Antivirus fixes your issue. It can freeze any program while it wants to scan something.

I think this is a Windows and program issue and you should really ask in the Windows sub-forum, not blame AMD. tongue.gif

EDIT:

I remembered something about that ShellExView tool... There's a website where users are collecting their issues with explorer.exe and those plugins. Look at this list here:

http://shellfix.nirsoft.net/shell_problems_list.html

Do you maybe find one of your programs mentioned on it? If yes, that's probably where your problem comes from.
Edited by deepor - 4/15/14 at 2:01am
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thank you both for your help. I realized I left out a bit of info that could be useful. The "mess" that a window creates by dragging, only last a split second. I've never had a crash, lockup or freeze, since the reinstall.

The only reason I thought this was an AMD issue was because I get the watery look when scrolling through Firefox, or Internet Explorer.

I'll try a few of your suggestions and report back later.

Also a new photo for today:
post #5 of 9
Check event viewer. Then sob and reinstall. This kind of thing happens to me (doesn't manifest quite this way) when I go stupid and try insane overclocks, think they're stable, and end up with a botched Windows installation a week later.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by sub50hz View Post

Check event viewer. Then sob and reinstall. This kind of thing happens to me (doesn't manifest quite this way) when I go stupid and try insane overclocks, think they're stable, and end up with a botched Windows installation a week later.

This helps often (though not always):

Windows 7 and 8 have a feature that can check all Windows files and compare them with the originals. You type this here at an Admin command prompt:

sfc /scannow

Sometimes its repository for the originals is broken and then you can do this here on Windows 8:

dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by deepor View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by sub50hz View Post

Check event viewer. Then sob and reinstall. This kind of thing happens to me (doesn't manifest quite this way) when I go stupid and try insane overclocks, think they're stable, and end up with a botched Windows installation a week later.

This helps often (though not always):

Windows 7 and 8 have a feature that can check all Windows files and compare them with the originals. You type this here at an Admin command prompt:

sfc /scannow

Sometimes its repository for the originals is broken and then you can do this here on Windows 8:

dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Never knew that, what a useful command. +rep.
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post #8 of 9
I'm usually too far gone for SFC to be of any help, but I do try to give it a shot if it boots.
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
Well it looks like I have it fixed now, but I't still leaves a lot of questions.

deepor set me on the right track. I copied the themes from another computer and replaced all of mine. That did the trick for Aero, but the XP style one still has this issue. I noticed my CPU load increases when using it too. I guess the XP theme doesn't utilize the GPU. It still amazes me that Firefox and IE were affected by this. I'd be interested to see if other people can replicate the issue.

TL;DR, I have a working theme now that fixes all the issues. And in the end it was a Windows problem thumb.gif
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