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Why delidding?

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A few questions;

#1How big of an impact does delidding generally have? is it more or less effective with specific cooling solutions?

#2 if taking the heat spreader off improves cooling, why do the companies have on on there in the first place? wouldn't it save them money NOT to have it?

#3 Are there any specific risks involved other than the obvious possible damage to the cpu in removal of the heat spreader?

I've got an FX 9370 and the temps aren't bad considering the overclock (45C Average under load @5.2Ghz) but as we all know it never hurts to keep it as low as possible so just trying to learn more about delidding in general.
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i think this is only for intel?
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Delidding was to remove the poor Thermal Interface Material (TIM) used in some Intel chips. They were subpar at best. People found that by popping off the IHS and putting on their own TIM, they could drop temperatures.

One purpose of the IHS is to spread heat out. But another is to protect the die. If you put a little too much pressure on it, it will crack. If you are good, you can do direct die cooling, but it's tricky.

The TIM AMD has been using is pretty good. You might see a bit better temps by using your own TIM, but it might be very minimal.
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This is a result of direct-die.



This same OC in a "like" room environment was:

90C~ before delid

76C~ after delid with CLP on both side of the IHS

53C~ as seen above after throwing the IHS int he garbage.

:]


BUUUT you cnt delid an FX series AMD processor.
Edited by Xinoxide - 4/14/14 at 11:54pm
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You can't on your 9590.
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i think this is only for intel?

I think you "could" do it on AMD but the TIM AMD uses isn't terrible like the ivy/haswell chips have under the IHS.
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Very nice, 3770k with HT enabled at 4.7GHz... with 53°C max. DAYUM. Guess you hit your volt limit?
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post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by AcEsSalvation View Post

Very nice, 3770k with HT enabled at 4.7GHz... with 53°C max. DAYUM. Guess you hit your volt limit?

This is the first step I have to add any so I sit on it for 24/7.

I can take it all the way to 1.62v for 5.3GHz and it will only hit about 90C again.
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Originally Posted by ShortySmalls View Post

I think you "could" do it on AMD but the TIM AMD uses isn't terrible like the ivy/haswell chips have under the IHS.
AMD uses solder on FX, and TIM on all APUs.
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ahhh thanks guys. +rep
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