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post #21 of 71
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Originally Posted by toyz72 View Post

is there proof of an fx cpu for 2015? if so.....link it plz. i was pretty sure amd was done with fx.

AMD has clearly stated that FX is not dead.
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If AMD wants to be bigger to the casual gaming crowd, they better start getting more of their APUs into the computers that are on display at frys, best buy, etc. Not every casual person I know would even bother to do a build.

That's what the console wins were for, to an extent
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post #23 of 71
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Originally Posted by nitrubbb View Post

AMD has clearly stated that FX is not dead.


show me where? i've seen leaked rumors,but nothing solid.
Edited by toyz72 - 4/15/14 at 10:52am
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show me where? i've seen leaked rumors,but nothing solid.

Saying FX is dead is like slapping RIP on a trademark. FX isn't dead, but dead to AM3+ socket. We'll probably have FX processors like eight core APUs in the future or something.
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Saying FX is dead is like slapping RIP on a trademark. FX isn't dead, but dead to AM3+ socket. We'll probably have FX processors like eight core APUs in the future or something.


i didnt label it as dead...i wanted to see proof of a new cpu for 2015 not more hopes and dreams. i was hoping amd would keep making the fx .i thought they where moving forward with the apu's over the fx.
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i didnt label it as dead...i wanted to see proof of a new cpu for 2015 not more hopes and dreams. i was hoping amd would keep making the fx .i thought they where moving forward with the apu's over the fx.

I know that just clarifying.
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post #27 of 71
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The 28%-18.44% you're experiencing is because they dropped updating fabrications leaving the fabrications to update themselves. They already have a heavily planned out road map. They are pulling a NASA, small funding big operations. This is just propaganda being thrown out by an Intel Fanboy. I love all the processing companies but I won't have slander on this forum.

Nail head nail. Both companies are so vastly different outside of the conventional x86 space that % of revenue in contrast R&D expenditures result in a completely apples to oranges comparison.

Also... the whole extreme/high end crap is all completely subjective. I just wrote a big paper for university on it. Pretty much it comes down to comparing the software performance of a piece of hardware to another piece of hardware that no one would argue against it being considered high end. Example; no one would argue against a I7-4770k being considered high end for consumers; thus for something to be considered high end, it needs to perform roughly the same or it falls in a different category.

Ultimately theoretical performance of hardware is meaningless if software doesn't take advantage of it. Thus, it is software that dictates what is used to measure performance. So Intel and AMD are left to make performance gains in two ways; try to innovate performance of hardware to perform better using current software techniques, or innovate with new hardware that needs software creation to change.

You will notice that one is internal; and one relies on the external. Which method is better is debatable and has pros and cons. For example external changes are a larger gamble; but require a company to arguably spend less due to outside forces taking some of the R&D workload. One could simply say "Intel only does internal and that's better because they are a more successful company"; but that is not conclusive as there are many more factors that go into a companies success. Though, which strategy a company uses could possibly be forced upon them based on their status. It could be argued AMD is forced to take bigger gambles and rely on outside forces because it does not have Intel's resources.

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Mantle and DX12 won't remove strong CPUs from the equation for a gaming rig any more than a 40MPG car reduces a nations fuel consumption.

When people have a car that gets better fuel economy, rarely do they actually pocket the difference. Most people take advantage of that added fuel economy by going places. With every increase in mandated fuel economy we only see people drive MORE, which offsets the "intended" results. AMD is banking on the same sort of blind vision that expects lower fuel consumption after increasing EPA standards.

Developers aren't just going to "pocket" the overhead afforded by DX12/Mantle. GPUs will continue to hurl ahead at breakneck speed for at least another several generations, developers will use every bit of CPU grunt they can get even on the "new" APIs to leverage as much of that new GPU power as they can. If there is still overhead they will develop a way to use it for something. They are, after-all, in competition to have the best game titles with the coolest new features. If that means writing a new AI engine that turns current i7's into crying shriveling piles of melting silicon so be it.

I guarantee DX12/Mantle will absolutely not level the playing field for weak CPUs vs strong CPUs. Developers will "drive further" because that is what they have to do to compete. There will always be a new game out that brings hardware (including CPUs) to a crawl. If AMD drops out of the high end desktop they will dropping out of a potentially lucrative high end market where people happily pay twice as much for their CPU as the cost of an entire game console. There will be games that leverage high end CPUs in the coming years.
     
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Also... the whole extreme/high end crap is all completely subjective. I just wrote a big paper for university on it. Pretty much it comes down to comparing the software performance of a piece of hardware to another piece of hardware that no one would argue against it being considered high end. Example; no one would argue against a I7-4770k being considered high end for consumers; thus for something to be considered high end, it needs to perform roughly the same or it falls in a different category.

It's subjective...until I start actually picking components to put in a new high-end gaming machine. When one company is the only meaningful option and the other just has nothing remotely comparable, I feel reasonable being a little irked that they're not both competing for my money.
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It's subjective...until I start actually picking components to put in a new high-end gaming machine. When one company is the only meaningful option and the other just has nothing remotely comparable, I feel reasonable being a little irked that they're not both competing for my money.

It is subjective COMPLETELY. It depends on what you use the computer for. I provided a possible definition on what high end means for consumers; and did you see me mentioning AMD in that high end definition? I mean processors like the 9590 (don't bring price into this I'm strictly talking performance) could be considered high end in some aspects and uses, but would be completely dependant on software that allows it to perform on par with an i7-4770k (extremely parallel apps).

There is no doubt which company makes more powerful hardware, for the majority current software (single threaded and multithreaded apps), at their respective top ends of product lines. The definition of high-end, though, is absolutely subjective to the user.
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