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driver less cars, not sure. I really enjoy driving yet most mornings its plain obvious millions of drivers sleep drive to work and that is often lethal. Still, if you take away driving from humans (given the enormous amount of road freight these days) be prepared to have to find another 30 million jobs over night (well 5 years) with a growing population..

so yea, this technology is wonderful but im more for stuff that actually gives people a career so they can afford the choice or even just choices.. it will be too tempting for governments to stop cars on the spot or exploit self driven cars (not necessarily googles concern)

how will google or any other company make money when machines do 'most' of the work? who is going to buy the products..

It would be pretty stupid to not let machines do everything they can do just to save jobs. There's no way around that issue with computers taking over more and more work. You should better think and argue about some solution for the money/income problem for people instead of argue about saving jobs. There's ideas like "basic income" to solve this.
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driver less cars, not sure. I really enjoy driving yet most mornings its plain obvious millions of drivers sleep drive to work and that is often lethal. Still, if you take away driving from humans (given the enormous amount of road freight these days) be prepared to have to find another 30 million jobs over night (well 5 years) with a growing population..

so yea, this technology is wonderful but im more for stuff that actually gives people a career so they can afford the choice or even just choices.. it will be too tempting for governments to stop cars on the spot or exploit self driven cars (not necessarily googles concern)

how will google or any other company make money when machines do 'most' of the work? who is going to buy the products..

 

This reminds me of the following moment from TRON:

 

Lab tech: "....After all, computers are just machines; they can't think."

 

Alan: "Some programs will be thinking soon!"

 

Lab tech: "Hahahaha won't that be grand? The computers and the programs will start thinking, and the people will stop!"

 

We are almost there now. Don't you think? I've been feeling this way for a few years now.

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I only watched the video as thats all i have time for now, but working in the google X labs sounds like a dream come true. Its just you and a handful of people trying to change the world using your imagination, failure is always an option, and you are backed by google, which means you have basically unlimited resources.

It would be amazing if google handed out like $100-500 to individuals (school groups?) to try their hand at moonshot projects. Best case scenario, one of them succeeds and is hired by google, worst case scenario is google gets good publicity, and has thousands of tests and results done for them.
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Just a FYI.... There are other companies out there that do "blue sky" research. Bell Labs was awesome back in the day. SRI International is another one (they helped create the Internet). There's also DARPA!


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driver less cars, not sure. I really enjoy driving yet most mornings its plain obvious millions of drivers sleep drive to work and that is often lethal. Still, if you take away driving from humans (given the enormous amount of road freight these days) be prepared to have to find another 30 million jobs over night (well 5 years) with a growing population..

so yea, this technology is wonderful but im more for stuff that actually gives people a career so they can afford the choice or even just choices.. it will be too tempting for governments to stop cars on the spot or exploit self driven cars (not necessarily googles concern)

how will google or any other company make money when machines do 'most' of the work? who is going to buy the products..

Machines have been replacing humans for centuries... world has not ended.

Quality of life has risen because of machine. There are transition periods. Those 30M former drivers will find other work in jobs that developed from cheaper/faster transportation.
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Just a FYI.... There are other companies out there that do "blue sky" research. Bell Labs was awesome back in the day. SRI International is another one (they helped create the Internet).
Machines have been replacing humans for centuries... world has not ended.

Quality of life has risen because of machine. There are transition periods. Those 30M former drivers will find other work in jobs that developed from cheaper/faster transportation.

 

Not to mention productivity would go up if you had driver-less cars. Since that 30-40 minute commute to work will actually be spent doing something, rather than focusing on not getting yourself killed by other drivers.

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We are almost there now. Don't you think? I've been feeling this way for a few years now.

Yes and although my generation is increasingly living in more demanding climate from jobs to housing and debt I can only stop in amazement at the thought of all the OCN'ers on here with young kids and what future both good or bad may be facing them.
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This reminds me of the following moment from TRON:

Lab tech: "....After all, computers are just machines; they can't think."

Alan: "Some programs will be thinking soon!"

Lab tech: "Hahahaha won't that be grand? The computers and the programs will start thinking, and the people will stop!"

We are almost there now. Don't you think? I've been feeling this way for a few years now.

Not quite close yet. We can replace the vast majority of jobs to be honest...but anything that requires "opinions" and so on are a way off. So basically, lawyers and politicians are technically safe along with engineers and programmers but for the majority of jobs things would be bad if there was enough motivation to pay for the code. Hell, outside of tax research, laws, coming up with creative avoidance strategies, and auditing opinions accounting (for example) could be done faster and "better" by machines. It has already begun and is slowly moving that way.

The greatest irony about life is that we've created the incentive (for good or not) to eliminate the need for human work; but at some point we will have only "creative" work left to be done unless we introduce inefficiencies such as teaching old methods or being Luddites.

Still thinking how one goes about letting that "made a helicopter in a garage" thing out to get the right attention.
     
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It would be pretty stupid to not let machines do everything they can do just to save jobs. There's no way around that issue with computers taking over more and more work. You should better think and argue about some solution for the money/income problem for people instead of argue about saving jobs. There's ideas like "basic income" to solve this.

im not arguing anything. im also not one to claim just because something is technology it is good, just because im on OCN. Technology is a double edged sword it provides amazing and also terrible things. We should learn to asses somethings impact before launching into biblical levels of adoration for the new shiny thing.. that after all is key to moving technology on and is actually a pro-technology stance.
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Machines have been replacing humans for centuries... world has not ended.

Quality of life has risen because of machine. There are transition periods. Those 30M former drivers will find other work in jobs that developed from cheaper/faster transportation.

I agree. Although there will become a time with current population size when the entry level for jobs is so high that many simply won't be upto the challenge and all the everyday jobs (including mid level admin not just janitorial) will be done by machines with little human interaction. I cant say that’s the most positive outcome.. but i think it is inevitable
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Yes and although my generation is increasingly living in more demanding climate from jobs to housing and debt I can only stop in amazement at the thought of all the OCN'ers on here with young kids and what future both good or bad may be facing them.

 

We've been through a lot worse than this.

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You can't prove me wrong so I'm RIGHTTTT. biggrin.gif

yeah, so google hires cryptographers to build hardware and mechanical things and gizmos... that seems right (sarcasm)
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