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We've been through a lot worse than this.

But never at a time when so much of our society is focused on status / money / gadgets and superficial criteria for life success. "You are what you earn" culture.

'just getting by' in 1945 had a whole different meaning.
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But never at a time when so much of our society is focused on status / money / gadgets and superficial criteria for life success. "You are what you earn" culture.

'just getting by' in 1945 had a whole different meaning.

 

No, we've been through this many, many, many times before in many different ways. We'll be fine. History repeats itself with stunning accuracy. Sure, now we're dealing with computers and high-tech stuff, but we're still going to be just fine.

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I agree. Although there will become a time with current population size when the entry level for jobs is so high that many simply won't be upto the challenge and all the everyday jobs (including mid level admin not just janitorial) will be done by machines with little human interaction. I cant say that’s the most positive outcome.. but i think it is inevitable

Then the world might shift to a new economic model.....

If robots can do most things.... include space exploration and mining....
Solar = cheap energy.
Solar system = relatively cheap materials.


Humans can then be freed to do much more interesting things.


For example.... why did the Middle Ages occur and how do the Renaissance come about?
Farming innovation.

During the Middle Ages, the vast majority of labor was dedicated to food production. This left no time for thought or room for innovation. Once food production increased, it freed humans from working in the fields.
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Exactly. We are not meant to be doing stupid, mindless jobs. We are creators. Answer me this, anyone: when are you at your happiest? When you're free to do as you please? Or, when you're stuck at work?

 

We are looking at a brighter future than I think most people realize or know.

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Not quite close yet. We can replace the vast majority of jobs to be honest...but anything that requires "opinions" and so on are a way off. So basically, lawyers and politicians are technically safe along with engineers and programmers but for the majority of jobs things would be bad if there was enough motivation to pay for the code. Hell, outside of tax research, laws, coming up with creative avoidance strategies, and auditing opinions accounting (for example) could be done faster and "better" by machines. It has already begun and is slowly moving that way.

The greatest irony about life is that we've created the incentive (for good or not) to eliminate the need for human work; but at some point we will have only "creative" work left to be done unless we introduce inefficiencies such as teaching old methods or being Luddites.

Still thinking how one goes about letting that "made a helicopter in a garage" thing out to get the right attention.

Those jobs you mentioned are not that safe. For example a lawyer, you might not be able to 100% replace them, but what you can do is increase productivity a lot. Computers can make it so that a single lawyer can replace a whole bunch of lawyers. There could even be a future where there's just a judge at court (as the single guy left that had to study law) and everyone else involved in proceedings doesn't have a lawyer anymore, just interacts with an expert system to feed the judge everything he needs for a ruling. Accomplishing to build that expert system feels like it should be a lot more simple than building a robot car that can drive around by itself.

Politicians could be replaced by a team of office workers managing a computer fed with data from its voters and other sources. I bet that kind of team would do a pretty good job compared to a real politician. tongue.gif

Engineers and programmers could just kill the jobs of their colleagues by getting increasingly efficient in their work with the help of better programs.
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Exactly. We are not meant to be doing stupid, mindless jobs. We are creators. Answer me this, anyone: when are you at your happiest? When you're free to do as you please? Or, when you're stuck at work?

We are looking at a brighter future than I think most people realize or know.

only if there is a profit margin wink.gif
post #37 of 88
Seen puff pieces like that article more than once. Technology isn't panacea for the world's problems, we tend to forget this. Given the way Google and all of its competitors have eroded all expectations of privacy over the past several years, technology seems to have created more problems than it has solved.

Before you blast me as anti technology, I'm not. I'm simply wary of the growing surveillance society and the extremely high potential for abuse of such power.
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Seen puff pieces like that article more than once. Technology isn't panacea for the world's problems, we tend to forget this. Given the way Google and all of its competitors have eroded all expectations of privacy over the past several years, technology seems to have created more problems than it has solved.

Before you blast me as anti technology, I'm not. I'm simply wary of the growing surveillance society and the extremely high potential for abuse of such power.

double edged sword.

no jobs for poor but rich served by robots

no freedom from cameras and surveillance but crimes are solved (*but not stopped)

clean air machines inside future cities but no trees or green space etc..

so, a future a bit like the films AI / irobot ?

But yea I think you hit the nail on the head. Its a puff piece, so are 90% of Google stories they are after all a masterful marketing company amongst many others. Technology is being wielded like a new religion and its certainly a genuine idealogical belief system, but yea..
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double edged sword.

no jobs for poor but rich served by robots

no freedom from cameras and surveillance but crimes are solved (*but not stopped)

clean air machines inside future cities but no trees or green space etc..

so, a future a bit like the film AI ?

But yea I think you hit the nail on the head. Its a puff piece, so are 90% of Google stories they are after all a masterful marketing company amongst many others. Technology is being wielded like a new religion and its certainly a genuine idealogical belief system, but yea..

Was just going to mention the disturbing faith like element to all this.
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This actually reminds me alot of Xerox's PARC...which brought us such innovations as ....

Laser printers,
Computer-generated bitmap graphics
The Graphical user interface, featuring windows and icons, operated with a mouse
The WYSIWYG text editor
Interpress, a resolution-independent graphical page-description language and the precursor to PostScript
Ethernet as a local-area computer network
Fully formed object-oriented programming in the Smalltalk programming language and integrated development environment.
Model–view–controller software architecture


All pie in the sky type projects at the beginning, but having a huge impact in future generations...
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