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My guess is that you are recruited ....

Would probrably be a van with "Google" all over it stops quickly, snatches someone from the sidewalk, then takes off peeling rubber. rolleyes.gif
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Just a FYI.... There are other companies out there that do "blue sky" research. Bell Labs was awesome back in the day. SRI International is another one (they helped create the Internet). There's also DARPA!


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driver less cars, not sure. I really enjoy driving yet most mornings its plain obvious millions of drivers sleep drive to work and that is often lethal. Still, if you take away driving from humans (given the enormous amount of road freight these days) be prepared to have to find another 30 million jobs over night (well 5 years) with a growing population..

so yea, this technology is wonderful but im more for stuff that actually gives people a career so they can afford the choice or even just choices.. it will be too tempting for governments to stop cars on the spot or exploit self driven cars (not necessarily googles concern)

how will google or any other company make money when machines do 'most' of the work? who is going to buy the products..

Machines have been replacing humans for centuries... world has not ended.

Quality of life has risen because of machine. There are transition periods. Those 30M former drivers will find other work in jobs that developed from cheaper/faster transportation.

The magic free market has done little to replace jobs which is why we have a huge income disparity and the only growth sector for non technical labor being the service industry.
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We've been through a lot worse than this.

But never at a time when so much of our society is focused on status / money / gadgets and superficial criteria for life success. "You are what you earn" culture.

'just getting by' in 1945 had a whole different meaning.

I agree politically with most things you say except I'm probably more extreme but introducing politics into this discussion was probably not the wisest move.

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Exactly. We are not meant to be doing stupid, mindless jobs. We are creators. Answer me this, anyone: when are you at your happiest? When you're free to do as you please? Or, when you're stuck at work?

We are looking at a brighter future than I think most people realize or know.

I'm at my best at work with a mission and goal.
 
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The Renaissance came about not just because of food production, it was also heralded by the rediscovery of money (as we know it) through the discovery of gold in the America's. Gold had been hoarded by the church and monarchies until then. Money is the tool of empires and once the Roman empire collapsed money vanished as Europe entred the feudal Dark Ages, however with the discovery of gold the British, Spanish, French, Dutch, German and other empires were reborn and European powers went on a murderous rampage which has lasted centuries.

Now with the age of robotics and especially light-out production (pioneered by FANUC) and self repairing and replicating machinery (facilitated by 3D printing) money has no more value as, in time, machinery and robotics will take over 95% of jobs. What will billions of people do? Either a new model, as you said, will be heralded or billions will die but that would make the human species not genetically diverse and once genetic diversity dwindles so does the viability of a species. Anyway, what we will experience is possible catastrophic change and then a new model will arise, films like Elysium serve to prepare the masses for what the elites would like however I hope we don't enter an era like Brave New World and 1984.

The Renaissance began in the 1300's... Christopher Columbus did not return until a 100 years later. Gold might have helped but it did not start the Renaissance period.
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The magic free market has done little to replace jobs which is why we have a huge income disparity and the only growth sector for non technical labor being the service industry.


and yet, McDonald's prototype the fast food restaurant as fully automated with no staff and call centers are being discretely tested using voice recognition and bots with no staff. Hence, we have seen people step back, against the wall only to see the last few areas of the even the service industry move to automation, advancements to 'almost' societal acceptability are brought through games, film and television. People are stupid they would sell themselves out for conveniences without realizing until the end it was a bum deal. Although I accept the argument things change and evolve.. they sure do but what about the resulting mass displacement until it reforms itself into a workable model? In fact is it ever going to calm down?
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I agree politically with most things you say except I'm probably more extreme but introducing politics into this discussion was probably not the wisest move.
I'm at my best at work with a mission and goal.

I sort of agree but we are seeing albeit the early stages of intelligent and rational discussion about how technology will not just improve things but perhaps make things a heck of a lot different for everyday people ((it already has removed millions of jobs but saved millions of lives)). OCN like many other leading tech websites have increasingly featured this type of discussion , it is after all upto the geeks, the tech freaks and the netizens of the world to watch the trends as there are so many more who aren't in that demographic that don't truly understand that in the next few decades the whole world is going to be changed and remain in a continual state of change.
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and yet, McDonald's prototype the fast food restaurant as fully automated with no staff and call centers are being discretely tested using voice recognition and bots with no staff. Hence, we have seen people step back, against the wall only to see the last few areas of the even the service industry move to automation, advancements to 'almost' societal acceptability are brought through games, film and television. People are stupid they would sell themselves out for conveniences without realizing until the end it was a bum deal. Although I accept the argument things change and evolve.. they sure do but what about the resulting mass displacement until it reforms itself into a workable model? In fact is it ever going to calm down?

I sort of agree but we are seeing albeit the early stages of intelligent and rational discussion about how technology will not just improve things but perhaps make things a heck of a lot different for everyday people ((it already has removed millions of jobs but saved millions of lives)). OCN like many other leading tech websites have increasingly featured this type of discussion , it is after all upto the geeks, the tech freaks and the netizens of the world to watch the trends as there are so many more who aren't in that demographic that don't truly understand that in the next few decades the whole world is going to be changed and remain in a continual state of change.

I'm extremely skeptical about trusting that the current model will just find a new balance by itself. The signs of it failing are there in the income for most people stagnating (or dropping if losing their jobs) while the overall income is actually increasing. The economy is growing overall but the added money is not getting distributed to everyone. I think it will fail without drastic changes.

The most modest proposal for change I heard of is this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

It might actually work without further changes. Through the basic income people would be free to quit and move between jobs at will and might get enough power through that to kick the current model into a state where it distributes income differently so that the whole of society gets something out of the economy growing.

A different idea is, I wonder if you could approach what Eastern Europe tried to do with regards to their market economies with all the knowledge of current economists and the help of computers for planning, I wonder if trying that again might actually work and not collapse like it did in the past.

Finally, there's an example of crazy taxes I heard of from Germany from the time after World War II. A whole bunch of people lost everything in the war, their property had been bombed etc. Everyone else that still had a house was getting their wealth estimated. Afterwards, you had to pay 50% of the worth of your properties in taxes distributed over the next few decades until 1970 or so. Think about what that means... that wasn't a normal tax where you lose some of your income... it was a part of your actual wealth and it was half of it! If your income was only enough to pay for your normal expenses, you'd eventually lose your property. Despite German citizens being as conservative as they are, it still was accepted. So I guess that can be an example of drastic stuff that might happen if the current world does not actually manage to balance itself or get repaired easily.
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The magic free market has done little to replace jobs which is why we have a huge income disparity and the only growth sector for non technical labor being the service industry.


and yet, McDonald's prototype the fast food restaurant as fully automated with no staff and call centers are being discretely tested using voice recognition and bots with no staff. Hence, we have seen people step back, against the wall only to see the last few areas of the even the service industry move to automation, advancements to 'almost' societal acceptability are brought through games, film and television. People are stupid they would sell themselves out for conveniences without realizing until the end it was a bum deal. Although I accept the argument things change and evolve.. they sure do but what about the resulting mass displacement until it reforms itself into a workable model? In fact is it ever going to calm down?
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I agree politically with most things you say except I'm probably more extreme but introducing politics into this discussion was probably not the wisest move.
I'm at my best at work with a mission and goal.

I sort of agree but we are seeing albeit the early stages of intelligent and rational discussion about how technology will not just improve things but perhaps make things a heck of a lot different for everyday people ((it already has removed millions of jobs but saved millions of lives)). OCN like many other leading tech websites have increasingly featured this type of discussion , it is after all upto the geeks, the tech freaks and the netizens of the world to watch the trends as there are so many more who aren't in that demographic that don't truly understand that in the next few decades the whole world is going to be changed and remain in a continual state of change.

It won't calm down and that is the inherent problem, we've had three decades of displacing the workforce with very little to show for it but rampant income disparities. To deal with the coming changes is going to require a radical philosophical change in how we see the roll of the private and public sector in our lives. The public sector cannot deal with the impending shedding of jobs. This is going to further marginalize the "middle class" which has already been marginalized to the point of irrelevance. Engineers don't sell product just like nerds can't guide us through the cultural change. It's too late now to undo the things that have lead to the state we are we can only point to it as a guide showing us the incorrect path.
 
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My guess is that you are recruited ....

Would probrably be a van with "Google" all over it stops quickly, snatches someone from the sidewalk, then takes off peeling rubber. rolleyes.gif

Wake up strapped to a chair...with a blue and red pills in front of you.
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its really not THAT difficult to make a helicopter in your garage. there are hobbyists out there doing it in many places. Check out RotorWay they sell kits
Sikorsky's design become commonplace sometime in the 1940s

not sure how helpful embracing failure really is, but at least he's a dude that's easy to work with which is helpful all on its own.

And its not"inevitable that "machines" take over the entire workforce... us humans have only been relevant for about 50,000 years--most species throughout time have lived for hundreds of millions of years. We are nowhere CLOSE to being done evolving so trying to figure out how society will play out is pointless, but... Technology should enhance us, not stupidify us. Instead of making cars driver-less and spending gobs of money redoing all the civil engineering of a city & travel, we should work on medical technology to improve every human's hand-eye coordination or make our cells regenerate so we can run effortlessly.
/deus ex

that being said, who actually PREFERS an answering machine to a human on the phone when your LAN is down?
...yeah
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In my town I'd take a decently trained chimpanzee.

I would too over here in Virginia Beach and D.C.

Would be much safer than your average driver here.
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its really not THAT difficult to make a helicopter in your garage. there are hobbyists out there doing it in many places. Check out RotorWay they sell kits
Sikorsky's design become commonplace sometime in the 1940s

not sure how helpful embracing failure really is, but at least he's a dude that's easy to work with which is helpful all on its own.

And its not"inevitable that "machines" take over the entire workforce... us humans have only been relevant for about 50,000 years--most species throughout time have lived for hundreds of millions of years. We are nowhere CLOSE to being done evolving so trying to figure out how society will play out is pointless, but... Technology should enhance us, not stupidify us. Instead of making cars driver-less and spending gobs of money redoing all the civil engineering of a city & travel, we should work on medical technology to improve every human's hand-eye coordination or make our cells regenerate so we can run effortlessly.
/deus ex

that being said, who actually PREFERS an answering machine to a human on the phone when your LAN is down?
...yeah

I am actually trying to convince my wife into letting me build helicopter...I don't think it will work. Maybe that's why he got hired. They knew if he talked his wife into letting him do it he must have been a special individual.

I think medical tech is working towards that end...but it is a long time off and in the mean time we will get a machine to do the job.

I don't mind those automated operators so much...just start pressing zero over and and over and over really fast. It will start to apologize a few times for not understanding and then forward you to a person...typically one who knows what they are doing since they usually only deal with the hard problems that the automated system didn't take care of.
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