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This looks eerily similar to a thread I had the past couple days... I opted to go for an AVR and some Pioneer speakers as well! I also needed to get a UPS for my PC and so I ordered that as well. In addition to providing some protection from power spikes the UPS will also condition the power going into the receiver so if you're considering getting a high quality surge protector you may also want to consider spending a little more for a UPS (which you can use for your PC as well as your AVR)
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If you get a UPS for audio stuff, make sure it's a true-sine model, and not "modified sine". Audio equipment pukes over such a nasty power source!
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Great, thanks. +1
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This looks eerily similar to a thread I had the past couple days... I opted to go for an AVR and some Pioneer speakers as well! I also needed to get a UPS for my PC and so I ordered that as well. In addition to providing some protection from power spikes the UPS will also condition the power going into the receiver so if you're considering getting a high quality surge protector you may also want to consider spending a little more for a UPS (which you can use for your PC as well as your AVR)

Which AVR did you go with? And are you also running a PC as the video source?



I already have a UPS in my main rig, but I dont think it's "true sine"

I'll also look into that.

Also, what's the benefit of using 12AWG vs. 16AWG? The greater thickness gives it better emissivity?

Is this the correct Monoprice 12AWG Oxygen-free cabling?

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2747&seq=1&format=2

It's only $15/50ft plus $10 shipping.
Edited by scatlm - 4/17/14 at 10:15am
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Glad you went with the Pioneers!
Real AUDIO equipment NOT the lifestyle product for idiots

SigRig is my entertainment source,
I used to run surround sound all the time, I have found the surround speakers add more to the experience than a center speaker and a PAIR of subs is the most fun!
These days I have a full 3 way Active amplifer/speaker setup (Bass/Mid/Treble drivers Left/Right each have thier own amplifier) I stopped using the center speaker(Focal CC70S) because the clarity could not match the left/right setup. I would have to spend ALOT to get the center to marry up. (EDIT: its that good I dont need one)
If you do go for a center speaker, get the pioneer that matches the left and right, you MUST have a sonic signature that matches across the front or you will never be happy with it! trust me, been farting around with surround sound since 1993!!

Good luck and please let us know how it sounds to you when get it set up! I have a feeling you are going to have a huge smile on you face and glad that you did go with BOSE in the end... biggrin.gif

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Which AVR did you go with? And are you also running a PC as the video source?

I have a CyberPower CP1350PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS. Or rather, I have one on the way. i ordered everything yesterday. My receiver came a day early but the speakers and everything else won't show up til tomorrow (if Amazon is correct that is)
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The reason I suggest the Tripp Lite ISOBar Ultra is because....
- the design mitigates the inherent shortcomings of MOV's, that being that the second you plug them in they begin a steady and constant loss of "capacity", yet engineering for people rather than maximum profits means that they figured a way to retain the positive aspects of them, specifically their "lightning fast" (man I'm on a roll!) clamping compared to the alternative and otherwise superior tech by utilFunctioning as the front line in a sacrificial capacity
- The combination of the different tech isn't thrown together haphazardly but rather (note: I am not an expert, but I tasked a friend who has PhD's in electrical engineering and physics, to give me an expert analysis and opinion on one that I delivered to him sans case, so I draw on his expert knowledge) "brilliantly designed to utilize multiple approaches that should effectively remove the bad, but without any compromise regarding the positive attributes of each" .
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Hah. That is brilliant. I will skip on the center for now, though. And when I'm ready for one, I'll follow nleksan' advice and probably get an additional SP-BS41 bookshelf speaker to fill the role of center channel. Now, if you don't mind I will borrow the phrase, so that I sound like I know what I'm talking about.
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The reason I suggest the Tripp Lite ISOBar Ultra is because....
- the design mitigates the inherent shortcomings of MOV's, that being that the second you plug them in they begin a steady and constant loss of "capacity", yet engineering for people rather than maximum profits means that they figured a way to retain the positive aspects of them, specifically their "lightning fast" (man I'm on a roll!) clamping compared to the alternative and otherwise superior tech by utilFunctioning as the front line in a sacrificial capacity
- The combination of the different tech isn't thrown together haphazardly but rather (note: I am not an expert, but I tasked a friend who has PhD's in electrical engineering and physics, to give me an expert analysis and opinion on one that I delivered to him sans case, so I draw on his expert knowledge) "brilliantly designed to utilize multiple approaches that should effectively remove the bad, but without any compromise regarding the positive attributes of each" .....

You're wickedly brilliant. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to explain all of this. The ISOBars are pretty inexpensive. I just ordered one.

What's the benefit of using 12AWG over 16? Better conductivity? I already have RCA 16GA coming my way.
Edited by scatlm - 4/17/14 at 2:12pm
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Bigger conductor (smaller awg, it's inverse) = less voltage drop at the speaker. This means more power gets where it needs to be, the voice coils driving the cones.
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What's the benefit of using 12AWG over 16? Better conductivity? I already have RCA 16GA coming my way.

No benefit.
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According to the table for two conductor copper wire given in former Director of Acoustic Research for McIntosh Labs (and the originator of McIntosh loudspeakers) Roger Russell's online article "Speaker Wire, A History" (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm), 18 AWG is satisfactory for maximum length runs of 32 feet when connecting eight-ohm speakers. The maximum length for 16 AWG wire is 48 feet and for 12 AWG speaker wires the maximum length is 120 feet. Halve those distances if you are using four-ohm speakers.
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