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Ok guys. So I got some family going to Asia for a bit. And I decided I would capitalise on this and ask them to bring some bits back for me.
Now I decided to hold off on a GPU upgrade until Pirate Islands or Maxwell come out in full force. My 6850's still provide decent performance on my 75Hz monitor. So I am ok with them. + They are going under water so I'll squeeze a bit more out of them as well. biggrin.gif

So I looked at my PC.
FX 8350= Good
16Gb RAM= good
Mobo= Good
GPU's= OK (Waiting on Pirate Islands)
PSU= Great
Screen= Ok. (Will go bigger and better when GPU's allow tongue.gif)
HDD's........= Hmmmmmmmmm..... thinking.gif

I have 1 WD Blue 500GB, 1 WD Blue 1TB and a 500GB Samsung Spinpoint HD502HI. Now the Samsung is my oldest drive. Probably close on 4 years old. Doing a general S.M.A.R.T check and I can see I have 16 reallocated sectors. So the signs of wear and tear are starting to show. However my SMART status has not started screaming at me yet. So I decided the logical upgrade choice was I think I should get an SSD. Now I am looking at the Samsung 840 series of SSD's. However they have been around for a while. Is there any news on a replacement for the 840's? Is the 850 series apon us?

Also with DDR4 imminent, will this somehow influence SSD's in the future? Will stacked memory etc. etc. find itself into mainstream storage use any time soon? Is it a smart time to decide to upgrade to an SSD? Or should I wait on the future innovations that might be coming?

If the answer is yes then what is the best? Obviously the Samsung 840's I have heard a lot about over the past year or so. But surely a replacement is coming? Are there any better alternatives? I don't want the FASTEST SSD. I want an all round SSD. High capacity. (Depending on what the prices are like anything from 320GB's up to 1TB.) So I need capacity, decent speed. Preferentially the longest lifespan I can get, and above all else best cost per buck!

What brands and models fit the above criteria. I am doing research right now as we speak, but I am sure some of you guys can also point me in the right direction as well.

Thanks a ton in advance guys! thumb.gif

EDIT: I see banners on OCN on the Intel 730 series. What are they like?
Edited by Alastair - 4/15/14 at 1:55pm
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Ok guys. So I got some family going to Asia for a bit. And I decided I would capitalise on this and ask them to bring some bits back for me.
Now I decided to hold off on a GPU upgrade until Pirate Islands or Maxwell come out in full force. My 6850's still provide decent performance on my 75Hz monitor. So I am ok with them. + They are going under water so I'll squeeze a bit more out of them as well. biggrin.gif

So I looked at my PC.
FX 8350= Good
16Gb RAM= good
Mobo= Good
GPU's= OK (Waiting on Pirate Islands)
PSU= Great
Screen= Ok. (Will go bigger and better when GPU's allow tongue.gif)
HDD's........= Hmmmmmmmmm..... thinking.gif

I have 1 WD Blue 500GB, 1 WD Blue 1TB and a 500GB Samsung Spinpoint HD502HI. Now the Samsung is my oldest drive. Probably close on 4 years old. Doing a general S.M.A.R.T check and I can see I have 16 reallocated sectors. So the signs of wear and tear are starting to show. However my SMART status has not started screaming at me yet. So I decided the logical upgrade choice was I think I should get an SSD. Now I am looking at the Samsung 840 series of SSD's. However they have been around for a while. Is there any news on a replacement for the 840's? Is the 850 series apon us?

Also with DDR4 imminent, will this somehow influence SSD's in the future? Will stacked memory etc. etc. find itself into mainstream storage use any time soon? Is it a smart time to decide to upgrade to an SSD? Or should I wait on the future innovations that might be coming?

If the answer is yes then what is the best? Obviously the Samsung 840's I have heard a lot about over the past year or so. But surely a replacement is coming? Are there any better alternatives? I don't want the FASTEST SSD. I want an all round SSD. High capacity. (Depending on what the prices are like anything from 320GB's up to 1TB.) So I need capacity, decent speed. Preferentially the longest lifespan I can get, and above all else best cost per buck!

What brands and models fit the above criteria. I am doing research right now as we speak, but I am sure some of you guys can also point me in the right direction as well.

Thanks a ton in advance guys! thumb.gif

EDIT: I see banners on OCN on the Intel 730 series. What are they like?

730 series is intriguing, Enterprise DNA @ consumer availability. it is in the upper echelon of speeds for sata SSD's, but then again every major company has a product in this speed range.

I'm pretty sure Intels 730's are at the top end of sata ssd pricing.

With the newer series of ssd (the one released in 2014) the best performance seems to be coming from the high capacity drives, not sure if this stands for all ssd previous but i've seen ALOT of reveiwers mention something to the effect that the smaller capacity, say in the new adata series the lower capacity ssds have a harder time sustaining the same performance as the larger capacity SSD's

if money wasn't a limiting factor I'd go intel all the way, with samsung close behind.

however money was a factor for me, so i went with a Pair of 128gb adata sx900s in raid0, like 10-20$ more then a 256gb ssd but twice as fast.

if you are not going multi GPU, a ROG RaidR would work. (PCIe x4 ssd) but you are paying like 160$ for the ROG branding + taking up a PCIe slot.(vs 2x sata ssds)
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The Samsung drives are the most proven available, and I would disagree and say that for consumer drives, Samsung is pretty much in a class of its own. Intel, and a small number of others, are close, but Samsungis the ONLY company that has complete control over their products, as they're the only company that designs, manufactures, assembles, tests, and produces the entirety of the drive (from the NAND and controller to the casing) in house.

The 830 and now the 840 series have demonstrated in multiple extreme endurance tests their reliability, meaning in this case thelongev ity and integrity of theflash. The rated PE cycles is a tremendous understatement, to say the least.

The likelihood of seeing anything new, is low, as SATA Express is on the horizon, and quite frankly there is very little reason for companies to push forward with hundreds of millions in R&D when the drives themselves are already limited by the interface. It is a very poor business strategy, instead of simply releasing "updated" existing designs.
Due again to architectural limitations, the performance between the top drives is so close as to be of no consequence. Reliable, consistent drives are the best way to go, and Samsung and Intel rule that particular roost.
   
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I'd recommend OCZ vertex 4 if you can get them at a reasonable price
but look at the Samsung 840 pro with and without Rapid Mode eek.gifeek.gif
840 evo also uses rapid mode



Flail how much slower is the Raid 0 bootup and how much quicker is it than 1 ssd?
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I'd recommend OCZ vertex 4 if you can get them at a reasonable price
but look at the Samsung 840 pro with and without Rapid Mode eek.gifeek.gif
840 evo also uses rapid mode



Flail how much slower is the Raid 0 bootup and how much quicker is it than 1 ssd?

k.. warning.. totally UN scientific methodology of comparison

for boot up, if i'm not running bios diag this system went from a two and a half finger snap time with one SSD (to be noted @80%+ capacity, forgot to set cap limit to 70% so i was getting degraded performance to a slight effect)

to a little more then a finger snap in raid0.

so ya, not scientific at all. my best guesstimate would be from about 5 seconds on a single SSD to just over 2 seconds in raid.

you can only really notice a difference when side by side (i've got a OCZ vert4 in my kaveri, just havn't updated rig yet)

I can exceed 1gb/s reads and write, if i'm installing something large or reading from massive. however i rarely see the OS asking for much more then 120MB/s(reads) a single SSD can do this but the Raiding makes it feel a touch snappier as it seems to be 60MB/s in parallel getting to the point in half the time.

P.S. everything is booted and started in the seconds mentioned save for action center, it seem like it give a f**K about raided disks, usually pops up after about minute and a half or two minutes after boot. it only effects my stability testing programs, as windows wants to allocate about 5% of my processor to it until i see the icon on the bottom right.)
I'm also Still running Windows 7, I've not tested W8/w8.1 yet, i've got a copy of it just waiting for the start button update.
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I see I thought raid 0 bootup was slower
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I see I thought raid 0 bootup was slower

it can be in the bios rom portion of the boot up.

this time around i used uefi rom apposed to the standard legacy driver rom with a driver disk ETC (might have these to mixed up, but i created the raid with legacy, switched to uefi in bios and then installed windows)

the legacy rom that prompts you for the raid control panel, those drivers would appear to take more time, but in all reality i think that is all done on motherboard. in the sata/raid controller, once the OS is booting up and you see the windows start screen its snaps of a finger.

my estimates of time are based off the first image of the screen from the operating system to when the desktop loads. I did not include the bios raid rom.
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Get the 240gb $90 after mir on newegg (109 before)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178720
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Get the 240gb $90 after mir on newegg (109 before)

damn, if all the postal ppl around here were not shifty thieves i'd be totally down.

but after two orders from two different etailers don't make it, i shop local now.
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2x Adata SX900 128GB SSD in Raid 0 Zalman VE300 Deepcool Captain 360 Nzxt g10 + h110 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 8.1 pro Asus pg278Q lg 29' ultra wide ips Roccat Ryos glow MX black 
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Seasonic X850 Fractal Design Arc XL corsair m45 corsair massive keyboard and mouse pad 
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File claims, report them, call tell them not to leave it you want to sign for all your packages
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