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I sincerely don't care about IQ when input lag is drastically reduced by high refresh rate and processing -> low input lag. That said the Asus panel they're really isn't bad at all, looks pretty decent for a TN at 60 Hz. Gets kind of washed out at 144, but that's the way it is.
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post #32 of 69
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I sincerely don't care about IQ when input lag is drastically reduced by high refresh rate and processing -> low input lag. That said the Asus panel they're really isn't bad at all, looks pretty decent for a TN at 60 Hz. Gets kind of washed out at 144, but that's the way it is.

I think you mean motion blur/pixel response time. The DVI only Korean monitors actually have very little input lag.
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post #33 of 69
Try putting the SB Z on the bottom PCI-E slot (x4), it should not then force the GPU into x8 mode instead of x16. Also make sure you are not having a bug with high CPU usage with the SB Z, there was a a thread awhile back about that on win7 but most people didn't seem to have it. Furthermore try converting all your devices into MSI mode (some may not go depending on the chipset..) including the SB Z.
post #34 of 69
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

My experience going from PCI to PCIE sound card on a Gigabyte Z77 UD5H motherboard. I had wondered why my flick shots felt way off all of a sudden, changing back to PCI card fixed it:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware-2013-r0ach-edition/120#post_22119550

So based on one occurrence you've created this thread and basically told people to toss out their PCIE Sound cards, cause they are total garbage? Without investigating the source of the problem? I'd love to see that " lower FPS in games" measured using FCAT :)

 

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This is Windows 7 btw. If someone else tests this, please don't come at me with some Windows 8 + vsync turned on + aero garbage for the love of god. It's pretty hard to notice things like chop with vsync permanently forced on in desktop mode. Win 8 even forces vsync on in borderless windowed mode, it's complete trash.

 

Do you know what influence has desktop's screen VSync state on full-screen running apps? None

Do you know what's the VSync state of app running in border-less window? The same as windows

 

Stop making stupid statements like "Windows 8 is a garbage cause of aero" cause you can turn it off (it's tricky, but still it's worth upgrading from Win7 and do the trick).


Edited by mnick - 4/16/14 at 1:42pm
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Do you know what influence has desktop's screen VSync state on full-screen running apps? None
Do you know what's the VSync state of app running in border-less window? The same as windows

Stop making stupid statements like "Windows 8 is a garbage cause of aero" cause you can turn it off (it's tricky, but still it's worth upgrading from Win7 and do the trick).

This is false.

Borderless windowed mode in Win7 = you can run without vsync.

Borderless windowed mode in Win8 = Vsync is forced on just like vsync is forced on at the desktop

I despise vsync enough where I can't even use an OS with it forced on for web browsing.

When you claim you can "turn it off", that involves killing Desktop Window Manager service and another service, which then makes your entire desktop and taskbar disappear and causing other problems. Win8 is not a gaming OS whatsoever.

I personally don't run any game in full screen mode unless forced to, only borderless.
post #36 of 69
Well... you should be able to understand that other people's brains are wired so that they have exactly the reversed opinion with regards to this vsync issue. I can't take looking at any tearing on the desktop so I feel what DWM does is super great (and for example on my Linux setup I battled for a week with the window manager and NVIDIA drivers to get vsync to work right on the desktop). Alt-Tab seems to often work super fast nowadays for fullscreen programs, can switch in a split second. So there's overall no problem with Windows 8 for me.
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I personally don't run any game in full screen mode unless forced to, only borderless.

Is there a reason why you do this? I found that window mode borderless on Titanfall gives me a little bit of input lag. Maybe it was just a placebo effect for me though?
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post #38 of 69
Windows 8 is not a gaming OS. Now I'm just laughing.

Maybe if you learned a little bit about what CPU-bound performance is you'd change your mind.
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post #39 of 69
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Do you know what influence has desktop's screen VSync state on full-screen running apps? None
Do you know what's the VSync state of app running in border-less window? The same as windows

Stop making stupid statements like "Windows 8 is a garbage cause of aero" cause you can turn it off (it's tricky, but still it's worth upgrading from Win7 and do the trick).

This is false.

Borderless windowed mode in Win7 = you can run without vsync.

Borderless windowed mode in Win8 = Vsync is forced on just like vsync is forced on at the desktop

I despise vsync enough where I can't even use an OS with it forced on for web browsing.

When you claim you can "turn it off", that involves killing Desktop Window Manager service and another service, which then makes your entire desktop and taskbar disappear and causing other problems. Win8 is not a gaming OS whatsoever.

I personally don't run any game in full screen mode unless forced to, only borderless.


Everything works fine on win 8.1 for me, mmr shows no difference between win7 and win8.
V-sync off works just as good in all windowed mode in win 8.1 vs win7 for me. (Never ever run v-sync on even with a 144hz monitor)

Win 8.1 works great for gaming, however I don't enjoy modernui etc so I use win7 as main OS because I love the interface and yes AERO always on, I am not a hobo that use basic ui.

You are just very very OCD regarding stuff like this, I am picky but thank god I would not revolve my life around something like this biggrin.gif
But then again everyone here knows you are something "else" from all your posts ;>
Edited by Nivity - 4/17/14 at 12:41am
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So based on one occurrence you've created this thread and basically told people to toss out their PCIE Sound cards, cause they are total garbage? Without investigating the source of the problem? I'd love to see that " lower FPS in games" measured using FCAT smile.gif


Do you know what influence has desktop's screen VSync state on full-screen running apps? None
Do you know what's the VSync state of app running in border-less window? The same as windows

Stop making stupid statements like "Windows 8 is a garbage cause of aero" cause you can turn it off (it's tricky, but still it's worth upgrading from Win7 and do the trick).


Calm down, man. Roach is extremely sensitive and also overly picky when it comes to stuff like this. God knows, how much of it is voodoo, some of it actually might proof useful to some people or even already did so.


One thing is true, though - many people use sound cards without ever having any problem of the sort. Same thing for me with my X-Fi Titanium HD. And my WQHD monitor for that matter, although in this case the inputlag certainly is nothing psychological ^_^
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