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Thanks guys,

I added Insurgency to my wish list, and am going to see if it goes on a Steam Sale any time soon.

Maybe I will give CS:GO another shot. When I first tried it when it came out it seems like the same old Counter Strike with updated graphics so I was put off.

I am also going to give Red Orchestra II another try, I had tried Rising Storm but didn't put much time into it.

Rising Storm is RO2 + an expansion, all in one game. Steam refers to them as "Rising Storm/Red Orchestra 2 Multiplayer" or something like that. Along with the rest of the franchise, it's the only somewhat realistic and hardcore PvP shooter out there.
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Have any of you guys tried the new Insurgency release?

I have played Red Orchestra Ostfront for many years, in allot of ways Red Orchestra 2 feels like a dumbed down version for the masses. Not the ''empty'' hardcore shooters it once was.

Insurgency also has a free Mod version, that was played allot of the last years.

When they made the new release, they didnt dumb it down for the masses. In comparison to Red Orchestra 2, Insurgency is the real hardcore shooter. And Red Orchestra hit registry will never allow it to be on a high competitive level.
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Have any of you guys tried the new Insurgency release?

I have played Red Orchestra Ostfront for many years, in allot of ways Red Orchestra 2 feels like a dumbed down version for the masses. Not the ''empty'' hardcore shooters it once was.

Insurgency also has a free Mod version, that was played allot of the last years.

When they made the new release, they didnt dumb it down for the masses. In comparison to Red Orchestra 2, Insurgency is the real hardcore shooter. And Red Orchestra hit registry will never allow it to be on a high competitive level.

They improved RO2's hit registration vastly, and added a "Classic" mode to make it more like the first one (although nobody plays it and I think you just have less stamina regen and move slightly slower). But wow, I had no idea Insurgency was even comparable. The mod version just feels like CS. How is the full game version more hardcore? RO2 has some of the most authentic weapon mechanics ever made, combined with manual bolting, bi-pod usage, no HUD so you have to manually check your ammo, aiming deadzone, range adjustment, bleeding system, and very low bullet count.
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In the way that Red Orchestra Ost Front was a Realism Shooter/Vehicle based gameplay, Medium to Large scale maps. 90% of infantry had a rifle.

Red Orchestra 2 is Small to Small-Medium sized maps, 50% infrantry rifle, 50% smg, DLC paid Semi-Auto Rifles, removed most of the combined vehicle/infantry aspect.
People join servers with a average ping of 150-250 ms. Playerbase are mostly newbies who only know how to team kill apparently. (Not the oldschool red orchestra player base)

Essentially they crafted Red Orchestra 2 to sell as much as possible, rather then to please the original Fans.
For me Red Orchestra 2 was a giant dissapointment, i did grow to like it, but not as a succesor.

Insurgency 2 developers just create the game they see is awesome, a realism based military shooter with close to medium sized maps.
They dont alter their gameplay mechanics to sell more of their product.

btw, i didnt say Red Orchestra 2 and Insurgency are comparable in any way, other then to be ''realism'' based shooters.
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In the way that Red Orchestra Ost Front was a Realism Shooter/Vehicle based gameplay, Medium to Large scale maps. 90% of infantry had a rifle.

Red Orchestra 2 is Small to Small-Medium sized maps, 50% infrantry rifle, 50% smg, DLC paid Semi-Auto Rifles, removed most of the combined vehicle/infantry aspect.
People join servers with a average ping of 150-250 ms. Playerbase are mostly newbies who only know how to team kill apparently. (Not the oldschool red orchestra player base)

Essentially they crafted Red Orchestra 2 to sell as much as possible, rather then to please the original Fans.
For me Red Orchestra 2 was a giant dissapointment, i did grow to like it, but not as a succesor.

Insurgency 2 developers just create the game they see is awesome, a realism based military shooter with close to medium sized maps.
They dont alter their gameplay mechanics to sell more of their product.

btw, i didnt say Red Orchestra 2 and Insurgency are comparable in any way, other then to be ''realism'' based shooters.

RO2/Rising Storm have some large scale maps too. The only small scale maps are chopped down versions in Team Deathmatch, which is actually closer to what the OP wants. You're right about vehicles though, there are only two tanks and it's mostly infantry based. There are no tanks in the Pacific front. The OP wants more of an infantry based game anyway. Are you sure that all of the semi-auto rifles are DLC paid? I'm almost certain that the only ones that came as DLC are the scoped semi-auto rifles.

Noobs were inevitable, since Tripwire became very popular after Killing Floor and people awaited their next game. I suppose you can blame them for adding "Action" mode to the game, though nobody plays that anyway. But compared to the original, it has less vehicle focus, slightly faster pace, you can't drop your gun from being shot in the hands anymore, getting shot in the legs may have slowed you down more in the original. Though the original is unbelievably clunky.

How is Insurgency as hardcore or realistic as Red Orchestra? The OP wants a more realistic shooter after all. Watching videos, it doesn't appear to be on the same level in those regards. Your aim is always centered, there seems to be very little to no aim sway, it doesn't seem to have most of the hardcore/realistic features present in the Red Orchestra franchise. Still it does look like it fits most of the OP's requirements: more hardcore than CoD/BF, modern setting, small scale and infantry based.
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DLC paid? You mean Rising Storm and M1 Garand?
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DLC paid? You mean Rising Storm and M1 Garand?

I think the only way to get the scoped G41 and scoped SVT-40 was to preorder RO2, but I could be wrong. He might be referring to this.
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I second Insurgency, I played it when it was very very early in development and it was amazing, definitely buying it once I get paid again smile.gif
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