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post #31 of 62
i could test my zowie FK (2013) if you want(?)
i'll have time this evening.
Edited by Bucake - 4/22/14 at 8:32am
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i could test my zowie FK (2013) if you want(?)
i'll have time this evening.

Yes please
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post #33 of 62
i don't know what to make of the results. i ran the test multiple times for each combination. this is a 2013 zowie fk.

450dpi on 500hz had a max counter of 128.
1150dpi on 1000hz had a max counter of 128.
450dpi on 1000hz had a max counter of around 50.
2300dpi on 500hz had a max counter of over 700.
1150dpi on 500hz and 2300dpi on 1000hz had a max counter of between 310 and 390.

smoothness was around 15% for 450dpi on 500hz and 1150dpi on 500hz.
smoothness was around 30% for all dpi steps on 1000hz.
smoothness was under 7% for 2300dpi on 500hz.

every test resulted in a max speed of over 3m/s.
forgot to note the results of precision. i believe they're not very relevant, but: i'm sure i haven't seen anything below 90%.

450dpi - 500hz
450dpi - 1000hz
1150dpi - 500hz
1150dpi - 1000hz
2300dpi - 500hz
2300dpi - 1000hz

edit: the polling rates of your (Ino's) mouse seem to be a bit less stable than those of my (2013) fk.
Edited by Bucake - 4/22/14 at 1:34pm
post #34 of 62
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Can someone post their max counts for each step so I can compare mine. Max values like 512 and 128 at native step cant be a coincidence.

450/500Hz - 77
450/1000Hz - 26
1150/500Hz - 192
1150/1000Hz - 64
2300/500Hz - 512
2300/1000Hz - 128

I'm getting the exact same max counts as you at all DPI 500hz, didn't test 1000hz

FK 2014 on qck+

I don't really understand how to test max speed correctly.

Can easily get 2.4 m/s max speed and sometimes over 3 but I think it's factoring in some slight diagonal movement when I do those. Regardless, I can't consistently get 3.3 m/s+ no matter how fast I move the mouse.
Edited by ///M3TZ - 4/23/14 at 2:52am
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I don't really understand how to test max speed correctly.

Can easily get 2.4 m/s max speed and sometimes over 3 but I think it's factoring in some slight diagonal movement when I do those. Regardless, I can't consistently get 3.3 m/s+ no matter how fast I move the mouse.

i suppose there will always be (some) human error in measuring. but the software you're using (for measuring), as well as your hardware (and other installed drivers/software), play a role in outcome as well. i wouldn't trust these programs to give me accurate information, i would just use them to get an indication of things or to see if my hardware is faulty.

it would've been nice if there was a piece of hardware you could just hook your mouse up to, and then plug that device into your pc. the hardware could read the input directly and then simply send the results to some software on your pc. additionally you could compare the results with those measured without the hardware between your mouse and pc.

anyways; there are definitely patterns and similarities in these results, as well as differences.
Ino's fk 2014 results seem to be different from yours, though. his results look alot like those of my 2013.

edit: looking at the results again, i wonder if 500hz is supposed to have 128 - 256 - 512 counts, and 1000hz is supposed to have 64 - 128 - 512 counts..? although 192 and 384 are showing up as well.
it's hard to guess the true max speed from these results, though.
Edited by Bucake - 4/23/14 at 3:37am
post #36 of 62
Polling rate has always been very inconsistent on Zowies for me, but it never affected my in-game performance.
But you can really see some kind of clipping effect in my MouseTester screens at 1000 Hz, those are not the typical readings when hitting malfunction speed.

Hitting malfunction speed looks like this:


while the FK (and also my EC1 eVo CL) looks like this at 1000 Hz:


What I find very disturbing is how the jumping polling rates makes the counts go all over the place in the speed test. Compare that to the new G502 sensor at both 1000 and 500 Hz:



Those look clean. I wish I had that MouseTester software before to compare how the older logitech mice looked in that test to investigat if it's the new sensor or the superior FW that Logitech has. My guess would be both.
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post #37 of 62
i want a more accurate reading then enotus gives me, but there's no way i can do it with the way MMR acts.
what am i missing or what am i doing wrong?
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post #39 of 62
2300dpi and 500hz looks like a good combo.
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Polling rate has always been very inconsistent on Zowies for me, but it never affected my in-game performance.
But you can really see some kind of clipping effect in my MouseTester screens at 1000 Hz, those are not the typical readings when hitting malfunction speed.

Yeah, best thing to do (if you can/hidusbf), is to set the mouse at 1000 Hz, and lock the usb port to 500 Hz:
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red CPI (Zowie 1000 Hz/hidusbf 500 Hz)


red CPI (Zowie 500 Hz setting ~ 600 Hz)


red CPI (Zowie 1000 Hz)



blue CPI (Zowie 1000 Hz/hidusbf 500 Hz


blue CPI (Zowie 500 Hz setting ~ 600 Hz)


blue CPI (Zowie 1000 Hz)
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Those look clean.

Indeed!
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I wish I had that MouseTester software before to compare how the older logitech mice looked in that test to investigat if it's the new sensor or the superior FW that Logitech has. My guess would be both.

Logitech did well already in the past (MX500 vs Abyssus):
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MX500 at 125 Hz


MX500 at 1000 Hz


Aby at 450/1000 Hz
Ps. Thanks to microe for the nice tool. Much appreciated! specool.gif
Edited by Thunderbringer - 4/24/14 at 7:56am
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