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post #1 of 181
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I open this thread so people can reach truth about SSD in RAID 0 .
Some people scaring other people with risk and reliability of SSD in RAID 0,thank good I never listen them.
According to some people this section of forum should be full of people with failed SSDs RAID 0 fields, but we see it isn't like that.
I really don't know what is reliability of HDD RAID 0 fields because I never had one,but one thing that I know, is that I have two SSD RAID 0 field for three years and I never had one problem not even one BSOD.Maybe there bad experience came up from HDD RAID 0 fields, I really don't know.
They say your data is in risk .Data is in risk from the moment it is made, where ever you putt it.It doesn't mater is this, your brain, your SSD,your HDD,your USB flash drive, your CD,your RAID or single set up, YOUR DATA IS IN RISK.
And that's why we have back-up. I find it very interesting that only time when I did lose my data it was not with SSD RAID 0 set up, it was with single HDD.So you tell me what I can conclude from that.
There is not normal man that will put his family picture's on SSD or HDD or any kind of media without backing that up somewhere else ,RAID got nothing to do with that.I think we insulting people if we think they don't know that and that we need to tell them that.
So please if we have some people that have fallen SSD RAID fields to reply here.
Also please I need people that have good SSD RAID 0 experience to reply here
I am talking here only about last generation SSDs .From Plextor M3P or M4 further.
We need to broke this myth ,like that one with TLC endurance.

Now, RAID real world benefit.
If somebody question does he need RAID ,then he really don't need it, just like watercooling,just like SLI,just like Crossfire,espessily modding.
We don't need that,but are we not on overclock.net?are we not here because we love hardware? Are we not here because we love to spend our hard earn money on things from Taiwan biggrin.gif
If we start to say each other something like,my watercooling is more important they your RAID, your modding don't have real world benefit,where that lead us?
Are we not here to give each other support and help in plans we want to carry out. We can say people what risk they can expect. But we don't have right to tell them ,they don't need to do that.
Its pathetic.

Again ,please SSD RAID 0 experience. Please only from Plextor ,Crucial ,Samsung,SanDisk ,INTEL and Corsair Neutron further.
post #2 of 181
I agree, I've have two Crucial M4s in RAID0 for almost 2 years now, never once have I had a problem.

Like you said, of course there is a risk anything can go wrong, not necessarily a fault of the RAID configuration, so I have a backup! yay backups!
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I ran RAID 0 SSDs for over a year (Sandforce SF-1222) with no problems. Of course your risk of failure increases by 100% but I liked the performance.
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been having a couple of m4's in raid for over a year now with no issues, just got a good deal on a 3rd and added it in about a month ago. Still running strong!
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thanks people on your reply.
also please don't stop posting your SSD RAID experience.
post #6 of 181
It is basic statistics: Failure Rate of N drivers = 1-((1-fr1)*(1-fr2)*...(1-fn))

If one does not understand the benefits (and risks) of RAID0, one should not preach about RAID0.

This is computer parts.... subjective experience might make a good story, but the cold hard analytics are undeniable.

Unit Igor, how much storage experience do you have? How much background do you have on this topic since you like pushing the message of "RAID0 is AWWWWWWWWESOME"?

The flaw in your reasoning on data backups is simple.... why should people choose to increase their risk of data loss? Just because you have backups, it does not mean you should purposely increase the risk to the primaries.
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/16/14 at 9:50pm
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Please ,like I said in first post,only people with SSD RAID experience should post,bad or good experience it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by Unit Igor View Post

Please ,like I said in first post,only people with SSD RAID experience should post,bad or good experience it doesn't matter.

Like I said.... you are not knowledgeable enough to lead this discussion.

I have over a decade of RAID0 experience, 7 years of consumer SSD experience, and have even moderated Intel's SSD forums.... yet you seem to take issue of my attempts to inform people. What they do with the information is up to them, but full disclosure should be at least provided.

Will you please stop attempting to restrict knowledge from people? Just because YOU think something is ok... it does NOT make it ok. Stop thinking so subjectively and putting other people's data at risk. rolleyes.gif
Edited by DuckieHo - 4/16/14 at 10:18pm
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You didn't try to inform people,you try to stop them from trying RAID field and that is just wrong.Dont you remember any more,you said something like this:O I try it ,you don't need to do that.Thanks god I didn't get reply from you when I ask question because I would never had this beautiful thing called RAID 0.
Till you have power to delete my post there is no point of clicking my keyboard.I asked some question here and because you couldn't answer them you delete them.

Now lets be objective:
HDD failure rate from 30/10/2013
Seagate 0,95% (contre 1,44%)
- Hitachi 1,16% (contre 2,40%)
- Western 1,19% (contre 1,55%)
- Toshiba 1,54% (contre 1,15%)

SSD failure rate :
- Samsung 0,28% (contre 0,05%)
- Intel 0,63% (contre 0,37%)
- Kingston 1,00% (N/A)
- Corsair 1,88% (contre 1,61%)
- Crucial 2,26% (contre 1,12%)
- OCZ 2,27% (contre 6,64%

Motherboard failure rate:
- Gigabyte 1,43% (contre 1,19%)
- MSI 1,83% (contre 3,05%)
- ASUS 1,86% (contre 1,79%)
- ASRock 2,09% (contre 2,09%)
Like we see its bigger possibility your motherboard to die then your two SSD in RAID.
In fact its bigger possibility that car hit you ,then your Samsung RAID field die.
post #10 of 181
Really? Because Duckie said (more succinctly) the same thing that I was trying to impress upon you in thepprevious thread, but you ignored my post, accused me or us of some anti-RAID Illuminati conspiracy, and started another thread....

I am going to be very blunt, now...

You are ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING ignorance, and showing a clear unwillingness to acknowledge the opinions of those like myself who have a lot of time with RAID... The exact people you want to answer, already have, but you don't like the REALITY of the answers, so you keep asking until you find one that you do like...


I, like the others who posted, clearly have no problem with RAID. Now speaking for myself, what I have a "problem" with is people who are encouraged to jump into waters without being told how to swim, but rather just an atta boy.

Everyone should pursue tiered or array storage if it INTERESTS them and if it is something that would provideany bbenefit for them. That DOESN'T MEAN just immediately striping all your data, but rather a responsible experienced individual is going to heavily push them to learn, learn, andlearn bbefore ttaking the leap.

It confounds me as to why you don't want people who have spent years or decades working with all levels of data storage, to provide legitimate answers. I don't even know off the top of my head exactly how many arrays are running across the servers, HTPC's, workstations, and desktops in my home, but I know it's more than 20. This is a very important networked storage system, as my audio production business's files, every single raw recording thru master, all of it is HEAVILY backed up and also redundant multiple times over.

I have exactly two RAID0 arrays run regularly (I have a lot of excess drives, so I tinker at times), one of whichis sstrictly for holding game files (absolutely zero valuable data) on 4x500GB WD VR's, and the other (was WD10EZEX but they've been migrated to a larger, more functional array) is changed frequently but consists at the moment of 4x Intel SD3700's, running off of an Areca 1882xi-24i4e with 4GB DDR3, partitioned so that some is used for caching different HDD arrays which is incidentally the ONLY scenario I have used in which RAID + SSD = something worthwhile, and the rest is a dedicated server write buffer cache as recording (48bit/384khz, untouched) requires a huge amount of bandwidth and the 4GB cache (huge for a raid card) would be overcome in minutes, but with the four Intel's ("pro-sumer "drives, and the most consistent performance I've ever seen from a non enterprise SSD), so the 2x10Gb fiber channel links write to the RAID0 array, which has the performance to not cause a backlog while still letting the extremely intelligent LSI dual core RoC maximize the benefit of the cache.


Have I tried other RAID0 (or 1, or 5, or 6, or 10, or 100...)arrays of SSD's? Of course. If I hadn't, I would not be speaking to the matter.

The ONLY thing that was consistently seen testing many configurations, is the following:
- there is a placeffor SSD RAID, but it's in high traffic/volume storage, with the effects on the average computing experience(desktop or even a 4P 32-core server boarsd) bbeing so incredibly miniscule that I will say that maybe 0.1 percent of people using such a configuration are doingaanything beyond riskingdata integri ty for bragging rights seasoned with placebo.

If you have to ask if RAID0 is riright for you, chances are about 99 percent or higher that it's not.



Again, to be clear:

RAID 0 adds a significant amount of "complexity", and risk, EVERY TIME it's implemented. It is a fact, and while it may be entertaining to hear a counter argument, it would be impossible to do so.

It is up to the individual to determine how to arrange their drives, I have always stood behind that, and while I offer suggestions, I acknowledge that my way is not going to be the right way for many, most, people.


The goal, in my posts and what I've read in others, is that WE WANT YOU TO BE EXTREMELY AWARE of the significant downsides, and I/we want people to LEARN ABOUT THE SUBJECT instead of simply copying a step by step, or listening to someone who has strong bias/opinion but no facts, and I'm assuming no experience, tell them that those like myself and Duckie, who have done nothing but try to help those who may be misled by what you posted, to LEARN the tech before implementing it.


I apologize for the uncharacteristically "harsh", for me, posts, but I am a scientist and I believe that the only way to learn, is to NEVER stop doing so. Yourposts basic ally affront this, with a "ignore the 'haters', you don't need to know about RAID to run it, just trust me, it's wicked fast" approach.


Bottom line: open minds grow while closed minds whither away, RAID0 for desktop use will provide no benefit outside of an extremely miniscule set of conditions, RAID SSD's require a not inexpensive hardware RAID solution and implementation in a correctly setup heavy access server before you see anything close to the numbers you imagine, and all the while you are putting all data on the drives at a significantly increased risk of complete and utter loss.

I don't know why you are so up in arms about people being informed of the ACTUAL REALITY of the matter, from a person/peoplewho hhave significant experience with exactly what you are saying you want to hear...

I don't get it. Show me a single post I've made where I didn't offer a reason why it's not a worthwhile pursuit, and even offer at least one alternative.... I will wait.
   
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