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Greetings!

Background: I am a web developer I have a decent amount of clients under my belt, and I have outgrown the 2-4GB RAM cap on most VPS providers. Thus I found a decent colocation provider, and now I need to settle on a 1U server that can run in a 1-2 AMP rack environment. This will be a PHP/MYSQL heavy box, that also does Emails... ClamD/SpamD will require lots of memory.

Used - R610, C1100 seem to be the go-to for people in my situation. More so leaning towards the R610 due to the fact that these servers are more aimed at SMB situations (lots of redundancy for a single box). And the C1100 is more so aimed at clustered systems and are not really recommended for my type of requirements. Single server situation.

I have looked into buying a Supermicro Barebones system, and dropping in a Haswell E3-1230.. However I feel as if the engineering in a used Dell will give me piece of mind for the reliability of my 1U server. The Dells tend to have a good amount of fans, and well tested airflow. And hotswappable powersupplies.

I plan to do Cloud backups, and physical backups to preserve data. But my main concern is stability. Granted I should not expect a risk-free solution when buying a single server, used.

Does anyone have any insight on DIY 1U vs used R610? Or possibly any other comparable HP servers?
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Silly question but have you looked into just renting a dedicated server rather than colocation? in the UK at least i found it was so expensive for colocation+hardware costs compared to just renting a dedicated server configured to my requirements
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Cheapest dedicated server I found was $175 (Hostgator) and they only offer (4gb + Dual Core).

My co-location provider can do $100/month. Which is cheaper than a dedicated rental. That $75 in savings could pay off my system in a year!

I live close to NoVA, where co-location is dirty cheap.
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Cheapest dedicated server I found was $175 (Hostgator) and they only offer (4gb + Dual Core).

My co-location provider can do $100/month. Which is cheaper than a dedicated rental. That $75 in savings could pay off my system in a year!

I live close to NoVA, where co-location is dirty cheap.
Ah right

Personally i wouldnt risk a second hand system for business critical usage, why not look into financing a newer dell server so the cost is spread out?
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Might be a silly question, but an AWS reserved instance wont fit your needs here???
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Might be a silly question, but an AWS reserved instance wont fit your needs here???

AWS/Rackspace really isn't all it's cracked up to be for website hosting. Especially since these will also be Emails serves, and Postfix tends to like to use the filesystem for emails. So my I/O cost will go up based on filesystem usage.

For a simple Database + App server I agree. AWS would be a great choice.
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While I agree, I might also suggest AWS SES(Simple Email Service) to offload that task and keep your costs the same, if not cheaper.

I run AWS RDS(both mysql and postgres) as well as about 40 EC2 boxes for the company I work for, all heavy PHP/JS apps with database back ends.
Not trying to dissuade you or sound like a knowitall but with new M.xx instance classes with SSD based servers as well as provisioned IOPS on EBS volumes, you might not worry about filesystem usage as much as you'd think.

I dont want to sound like an Amazon Web services commercial lol, but just one of the sites I host at AWS supports 6,000,000+ monthly page views and the performance/availability has actually gone UP since moving off of hosted hardware.
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While I agree, I might also suggest AWS SES(Simple Email Service) to offload that task and keep your costs the same, if not cheaper.

I run AWS RDS(both mysql and postgres) as well as about 40 EC2 boxes for the company I work for, all heavy PHP/JS apps with database back ends.
Not trying to dissuade you or sound like a knowitall but with new M.xx instance classes with SSD based servers as well as provisioned IOPS on EBS volumes, you might not worry about filesystem usage as much as you'd think.

I dont want to sound like an Amazon Web services commercial lol, but just one of the sites I host at AWS supports 6,000,000+ monthly page views and the performance/availability has actually gone UP since moving off of hosted hardware.

The other hurdle for me is the proprietary language and monikers that AWS requires, to state bluntly there is a learning curve for all of this cloud magic. And a part of me just wants to setup a box, with as much ram as I need (12gbs?), and just have a root login so I can do my server management. I currently maintain 4 2gb VPSs, and I just want to centralize everything onto a single server (no cpanel).

I have a hard time going with AWS approach of small blocks (EBS,RDBS, and others) working together and having to be all scaled separately for a solution. Seems like a large headache for me to create my templates, actively have a strategy in place if I need to take down a node and replicate it. And all of this being almost the same cost as 1U + Hardware.

Maybe I do need to read more into AWS, but I just have not see any small players like me use AWS because of that solution approach (small blocks).
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Yeah the tech speak at AWS can be a little hard to swallow. The good thing is that its all pretty simple, and easy to relate to regular concepts when you get right down to it. The ability to modularize your setup actually improves reliability/availability instead of using one big box for everything to live on.

Of course you must know that launching an EC2 server gives you full root access, and then you can do with it as you please(Plesk/Cpanel,etc....)

I suggest you go through some DIY, tutorials before you dive into the AWS docs, as they can be a bit hairy at times.

Even things like configuration management can be employed with source control to make your environment something you can replicate with ease, as well utilizing portability with other platforms such as rightscale/rackspace or even your own VMware/Citrix/Openstack setup.

But i'm getting ahead of myself, just saying that you should keep potential growth of your business in mind when making hosting changes. Sounds like youre building momentum and will possibly need to expand in the future, and a dedicated server might slow you down at some point.
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You should check out needaserver.net, sounds like it's right up your alley.

In my e-mails back-and-forth with them, they seem to have some other drive options available than what is listed (SSD's, hardware RAID, etc).
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