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post #11 of 220
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

Pros
- As noted by several other people, probably the best mouse sensor ever released

- Clicks are good and precise


Cons
- Heavier than most people will probably like

- Mouse has a forced claw grip shape (to me at least). Moving around a heavy mouse like this in a claw grip will probably give you carpal tunnel within a few days. Even though I prefer to use fingertip and clawgrip, it's better to not have a forced grip so you can switch to another grip style to alleviate fatigue when using a mouse for a long period of time, like how you can grip a Xai a million different ways.

- Scroll wheel is made of a combination of solid lead and depleted uranium, which throws the mouse balance off. It also sticks up too high and is awkward to use as a bindable key in games. Low profile, low weight, rubber wheels are always superior for any gaming purpose such as on the Diamondback, Xai, etc.

- Sniper Button - Although it doesn't really bother me because the forced claw shape doesn't make my fingers hit it, the sniper button will be considered more of a nuisance than benefit by most people and should probably be removed. I have medium size hands, people with large hands will probably be bothered by the button.

- Mouse feet - One of the biggest blunders of this mouse. The mouse glides semi-ok, but could be much better if they just gave us two normal shaped front and back pads. Mouse also seems to glide much better to me without the bottom cover on, which seems like somewhat of a problem.

This is what we want our mouse feet to look like Logitech:

Not four, randomly shaped, volcanic islands

Agree with most if not all of this.
I'm sure with the great feedback Logitech is getting they will be producing their next mice with this sensor hopefully in more form factors we deem acceptable.

My sniper button is disabled and taped down, I also play with the cover off on the bottom of the mouse.
post #12 of 220
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Knowing how many people loved the G9X and want it to return and them not doing anything about it is absurd. Charging $100 for the G9X with laser sensor back in the day was a big no no but now its a different story with the G502 sensor.

If many people would have loved the G9(x) then it would have sold much better than it did. As it obviously did not sell well there was no successor yet.
There's a lot out there that obviously loves the G9x, but it's to small a lot to make a new version viable apparently.
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If many people would have loved the G9(x) then it would have sold much better than it did. As it obviously did not sell well there was no successor yet.
There's a lot out there that obviously loves the G9x, but it's to small a lot to make a new version viable apparently.
G9X is by far the most popular Korean SC2 pro-gaming mouse, despite no SC2 team being sponsored by Logitech.
Edited by mfc9x - 4/16/14 at 5:19pm
post #14 of 220
I suppose I'm just lucky with this mouse considering it fits my hand perfectly with a palm grip and every button falls into the right place for me. I even like the scroll wheel, surprisingly, and I'm incredibly picky about scroll wheels. The free scroll option is pretty fantastic when I'm not in a game.

I do agree about the bottom though. The feet are weird and I'm not sure why they put texture on the weight cover instead of larger mouse feet or something. Though, it doesn't hinder gliding unless any weights aren't properly inserted, which will cause the weight cover to scratch on the pad. Pushed in properly with a decent (surprising in my case) amount of force and it's golden. I put one weight at the butt of the mouse to act as a counterbalance to the wheel and it balances nicely; I've been using heavy mice my entire life so my arm/wrist has been used to heavy mice for over a decade and I don't like light mice. I'm sure playing guitar since 15 (I'm 31 now) has something to do with it too, heh.

Of course, I'm not saying that Logitech can't improve on it, as they certainly can. I'm just lucky with how well the mouse fits me, is all.
post #15 of 220
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Forgot two other main points:

1) Weight balance - I really want the Logitech team to buy a Xai mouse, which is probably the best weight balanced mouse ever released (the Sensei was much worse), and compare it to the G502. Although the G502 sensor is great, if you held both mice in each hand, the G502 would feel like a lopsided bag of groceries in comparison.

2) Utility Buttons - The extra top buttons on the G9x were vastly more useful than the extra two buttons on the left clicker of G502. The things are just very awkward to use in comparison. It feels like you need to move your fingers in a Spock from Star Trek-like shape in order to click them.
post #16 of 220
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Originally Posted by mfc9x View Post

G9X is by far the most popular Korean SC2 pro-gaming mouse, despite any SC2 team being sponsored by Logitech.

currently it is, and its only a trend. one player starting doing it, now they all do it. before this everyone was using a mico.
its hardly enough to make a claim that just because a couple 14 year old korean kids use it that logitech should hurry up and remake it.

also they play with shroudless G9x's. the numerous clamoring on the forums here are from G9x users who love the shape with the shroud on. if logitech did what you said and just remade a G9x without the shroud shape (because thats what the korean pros use), im sure people would be up in arms.

also League is the bigger esport in South Korea now (i am not a fan.), so who cares what the starcraft players are using nowadays anyway.
Edited by discoprince - 4/16/14 at 4:21pm
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I wish Logitech would actually listen to us instead of making something just to make a quick buck. The only good thing about this mouse would probably be the sensor and that's about it unless it breaks and you remove the cable and use the mouse to flip steaks on the grill. I feel like the more advanced Logitech try to be the worse the products become.

To be fair, Logitech has made the G100S, the G400 and various other mice that are very highly thought of. I agree that lighter smaller mice are better than the high-DPI/adjustable weight/huge-palm-grip/silly-button-count mice. However, I cannot really fault for Logitech, who seems to have put quite a bit of money into this new sensor, first releases product in the high margin and high sales segment first. As long as a more practical mouse eventually comes along with this sensor, I can understand why Logitech first released this on the product that will probably make them the most money. After all, they have to make the R&D money back somehow. It is hard to sell a 3-button ambidextrous mouse for more than $30-40 and I can see why they wouldn't want to sell their newest high end sensor at this price point from day one.
post #18 of 220
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currently it is, and its only a trend. one player starting doing it, now they all do it. before this everyone was using a mico.
its hardly enough to make a claim that just because a couple 14 year old korean kids use it that logitech should hurry up and remake it.

also they play with shroudless G9x's. the numerous clamoring on the forums here are from G9x users who love the shape with the shroud on. if logitech did what you said and just remade a G9x without the shroud shape (because thats what the korean pros use), im sure people would be up in arms.

also League is the bigger esport in South Korea now (i am not a fan.), so who cares what the starcraft players are using nowadays anyway.
G9X has always been popular, it's not a recent trend at all: Tester was using a G9X back in 2010 when he was one of the best players in beta. SC2 is by far the hardest eSport at the moment and even though mouse accuracy in it is nowhere near as important as it is in FPS games, it's still noteworthy that so many Koreans (who mostly much older than 14...) opt to use it, despite being sometimes sponsored by rival companies. The mouse IS more popular because of pro-gamers. Just like mechanical keyboards weren't a thing in the gaming world until SC2 came out, then Filco started selling way more and gaming hardware companies jumped on the mech KB bandwagon.
post #19 of 220
To be honest I feel like there's too many different directions they could take with a G9x update that it might end up being a disappointment if not done properly.

A G100s with the new sensor and maybe a nice pair of thumb buttons feels like it would be a safer bet to shoot for.

Either way I hope we get some time to provide feedback on whatever their next mouse is. The G502 was basically a done deal before we knew it existed.
post #20 of 220
The g9x was a rather clever idea, if you think about it...

I mean, here's my perspective. My grip style is such that for a mouse to be optimal for me, it has to be so small as to have little or no compatibility with palm grip. If you can comfortably rest your hand on a mouse, it's clumsy trash (to me). But now suppose a big company were to release a mouse of the right size for me, not as a "special" or "portable" model, but as the expensive flagship mouse that everyone is drawn. What would happen? Well, if the model had high specs and a long feature list, it would attract people who don't know about mice. And since they don't know about mice, they won't realize that for 95% of them, it's not compatible with their grip. Cue lots of unhappy customers leaving bad reviews or even returning the product. But if the mouse has the capability to change its size, things change. You can cater to different grips at the same time; your Korean progamers can fingertip-grip it, and your massive crowds of American 12-year-olds can do...well, whatever such people do.

Mind you, I didn't actually buy a g9x, since I could get the same laser in a Zealot (this being before the optical version came out) with a lot less weight...and I dislike weight in a mouse almost as much as I dislike excessive size. 63g, like the original Zealot...that's a good weight for a mouse. Still, I maintain that the g9x was basically A Good Idea.
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