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Originally Posted by mfc9x View Post

G9X has always been popular, it's not a recent trend at all: Tester was using a G9X back in 2010 when he was one of the best players in beta. SC2 is by far the hardest eSport at the moment and even though mouse accuracy in it is nowhere near as important as it is in FPS games, it's still noteworthy that so many Koreans (who mostly much older than 14...) opt to use it, despite being sometimes sponsored by rival companies. The mouse IS more popular because of pro-gamers. Just like mechanical keyboards weren't a thing in the gaming world until SC2 came out, then Filco started selling way more and gaming hardware companies jumped on the mech KB bandwagon.

I still stand by my original statement.

I didn't mention anything about the difficulty of the game.
I didn't mention that mouse accuracy was that important for RTS (imo it is, esp at the level they play at)

All I did was say its trendy to use a shroudless G9x as an amature/pro level SC2 player, because that's what some of the korean pros use.
Tester started using it as you mentioned and it caught on, now lots of them use it, that's a trend.

And I'm not going to be commenting on that mech keyboard statement you made rolleyes.gif

I've been playing Starcraft since 98' and have followed the competitive scene since there was one (XDs Grrrr...). I was hanging out in Ladder Challenges when Team Liquid was just Nazgul and Tsunami.
post #52 of 220
Thanks for the thread, +REP even though I feel a lot of that is still opinion based smile.gif.

Smaller feet the better IMO - less friction. I'd still love some hyperglides for it. I love how people use a 110g mouse but have a heart attack at a 120g. Seriously, if 10g is that big of a difference to you then you need to get out more. I notice NO difference in fatigue or perceived weight of the 502 compared to the G9x, and the G9x is supposed to be quite a bit lighter.

Things that affect perceived weight or fatigue:

-Mousing surface (how much friction you have to overcome)
-Grip style (what muscles you are using to lift the mouse
-DPI used (how much you move around the mouse while gaming)
-Mousepad size(how often you have to lift the mouse)

What is heavy to one person is insignificant to another.
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

Even with the heavy weight, the sensor is really so good on this mouse compared to all the trash that's out there on the market, I'll be using this for a long time unless they release a lighter version.
Would I switch to a lighter or simpler G9x style mouse if they released one with this sensor? Hell yes, same day purchase...but if even Roach's super-anal-elitist-mouse-hipster self is choosing to use the 502 then that says more then 10 other user reviews put together tongue.giflaughingsmiley.gif.
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Originally Posted by Chuck89 View Post

I've just ordered a G502 from amazon.de. It says it will be delivered some time between the 24th and 29th of april.
So, I'm gonna return my new and flawed DA 2013 and hope that the G502 will satisfy me.

After using a G5 for over 7 years I guess I'll like the shape/feel and grip of the G502.

Coming from a G5 you will love the G502. G5 is one of my favorite mice of all time, but its old as dirt and pretty terrible by todays standards frown.gif. I still keep TWO as backups though, mainly because they still work good as new after 8-9 years!!! wink.gif
Edited by Puck - 4/17/14 at 7:41pm
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Smaller feet the better IMO - less friction

In theory it is, but in practice it's not.

Case example: Salmosa, Abyssus, Deathadder, etc.

They all have small feet and glide pretty poorly. They also wear out in about 2 days.

The best mouse feet setup that I can think of offhand is once again, probably the Xai. It has high stability and glides well, while the mice mentioned above have not only mediocre glide, but crappy stability too.

A four feet, Xai looking setup like this picture might work well too, and is probably what I would design a mouse with::



If Logitech released a Xai shaped mouse with the G502 sensor, 90-100grams, two side buttons, rubber wheel, and the perfect weight balance the Xai had, there would never be a reason to buy another mouse again.

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Seriously, if 10g is that big of a difference to you then you need to get out more.

The G502 feels heavy enough that you could beat another man to death with it. Contrary to popular belief, this is not really a positive mouse attribute. I keep using Xai as an example because I feel like it's the best weight balanced mouse ever, and when you pick that mouse up, it doesn't feel like it could be used as a weapon.
Edited by r0ach - 4/18/14 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

If Logitech released a Xai shaped mouse with the G502 sensor, 90-100grams, two side buttons, rubber wheel, and the perfect weight balance the Xai had, there would never be a reason to buy another mouse again.

way to discourage mouse makers from ever doing that... what you mean to say is if logitech released a Xai shaped mouse with g502 sensor, 90-100 grams, two side buttons, rubber wheel, and the perfect weight balance the Xai had, you would buy 5; right?
Edited by Atavax - 4/18/14 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

way to discourage mouse makers from ever doing that... what you mean to say is if logitech released a Xai shaped mouse with g502 sensor, 90-100 grams, two side buttons, rubber wheel, and the perfect weight balance the Xai had, you would buy 5; right?

He's saying if that mouse existed no one would buy any other mouse on the market. The opposite of discouraging it.
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I don't think you could make a "Xai" weight mouse with this sensor. Alone exchanging it will increase the weight i guess.
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He's saying if that mouse existed no one would buy any other mouse on the market. The opposite of discouraging it.

well, if he meant that, it wouldn't be the case. different people have different ideals for a mouse. Mouse manufactuers make some of their money getting people to buy new mice before their old one fails, they accomplish this by convincing them a new mouse is better for them. If he would be forever content with a mouse like what he describes, he wouldn't buy another until it breaks.
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I don't think you could make a "Xai" weight mouse with this sensor. Alone exchanging it will increase the weight i guess.

what information are you using to think that the 3366 is heavier then 9500? I was under the impression that typically the sensors have been getting smaller over time, which would likely also mean lighter.
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He may be right I remember Mionix mentioning that the 3310 weighs more than a 9800 and takes me more space too.
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Yes, i am relating to the Mionix vid.
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