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Originally Posted by bushzyxx View Post

Whenever they release a mouse with that sensor and a proper feet arrangement i'll be buying it. Weight isn't much of an issue to me as the g400s is heavier atm.
What does the arrangement of the pads have to do with anything. The only reason why large pads are used at the top and bottom of mice is convenience.

The math in terms of simple dry friction also isn't too complicated. You have 2 surfaces, the feet and the mousepad together they make mu.
Friction force=mu(friction coefficient for that combination of surfaces)*F(normal to the surface) or just the weight that you push down+ weight of the mouse
static friction being the bigger concern as it's the larger force to overcome.

Changing the area of contact doesn't change the force of friction nor does changing the placement of the pads on the mouse, under this model.

In more realistic complex setups in which friction is changed by contact pressure mu and go up or down with more pressure, temperature surface consistency, contamination etc which makes it very case specific to make any generalizations that one way is clearly better. Large mouse pads are used simply because they can draw more gunk without losing as much effectiveness, leading edges that gather containmates vs the amount of pad making contact with the surface is better given larger mouse pads.
post #82 of 220
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Originally Posted by Blashyrkh View Post

maybe you are one month old rolleyes.gif

what about the RAT7? mmo7?
TTeSports Level 10M?
Asus ROG GX1000 ?
razer naga 2014?
mionix?

come on, think before writing.

80€ for a premium sensor in a "premium" package is not high at all....
put in brackets because even if many wouldn't like it, it has the best multipurpose scrollwheel, a beautiful futuristic design with good materials, useless but still there weight system,onboard memory and a good set of buttons.

even if they can be considered futile, they have a cost....
think about the DA2013 that has none of them and costs only 10€ less.

ALL of those mice are cheaper than 82€ where I live... and I do not think that 80€ is an acceptable price for a wired mouse, doesn't matter how "premium" it is.
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post #83 of 220
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You forgot to say to you. You're insane if you think a Rival is better then the G502 overall. Shape is damn near perfect for my hand size and grip, which is obviously subjective even though you posted that as a fact. I actually wouldn't mind a flared pinky side or a wider LMB but that is just nitpicking.

I still laugh at people calling a 120g mouse heavy. If we consider 100g light, then that 20g=20 paper clips, a pack of Wrigleys gum, or 7 pennies. Not exactly a massive weight to move around laughingsmiley.gif.

Less is more, in that aspect it's >.

Doesn't change the fact it's overloaded with BS a real player doesn't need which made that mouse heavy. It could have less g's.
Just wait until they decide to create a mouse that is going to have a full metal body at 500g (with included weights, best joke provided by logitech), rofl. Just for the mainstream people.

The only thing that differs this mouse from any other mouse is more or less the sensor, nothing else.

Put the sensor into an FK or any other Zowie mouse (not speaking about the Rival) and people are going to jump to another bandwagon.

The typical overclock hype.
post #84 of 220
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Originally Posted by Trull View Post

ALL of those mice are cheaper than 82€ where I live... and I do not think that 80€ is an acceptable price for a wired mouse, doesn't matter how "premium" it is.

really? where do you live? I want a MMO7 for 70€!!!

if it's too much just don't buy it, it's soooo simple
post #85 of 220
Extra "Premium" features are useless dead weight if you never use them.
Scrollwheel is bad, It is to heavey and should not be a metal piece, simple as that.
The weight balance is crap, you need to balance with weight which makes it ever heavier then it already is.
Plastic used it nothing special at all.
Throwing a ton of buttons is useless if you don't need them, might aswell buy a "mmo" mouse if you want a ton of buttons.

The only thing worth paying for is the sensor itself, the rest is nothing special at all.
But I guess people are that easy fooled with "premium" in other real life situations aswell.

My g502 was returned, great sensor, useless mouse in other regards.
Waiting until a normal sized and weighted mouse gets released with the sensor.
post #86 of 220
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The only thing that differs this mouse from any other mouse is more or less the sensor, nothing else.

Put the sensor into an FK or any other Zowie mouse (not speaking about the Rival) and people are going to jump to another bandwagon.

The typical overclock hype.

Yes of course the sensor is THE special thing about this mouse, that's where the hype comes from, not from anything else.
And the thing is: we won't see this sensor in any non logitech mouse anytime soon.

Just wait, I bet they'll come up with a smaller form factor sooner or later.
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I am getting a bit excited for this sensor, from what I've understood. The weight is smth you can get used to, in the end the 2 other main things are the shape and the glide.
Now if the sensor is as good as I hope it to be, and I like heavier mice, I can dismiss the non-standard shape "discomfort" if the glide is ok - this might be as close as "the one" .
Right now I have another IR-LED as my favorite device(which I currently use), the original DA 1800, and before that I enjoyed the IME3.0.
Maybe this forum can be appeased by Logitech smile.gif
post #88 of 220
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

Extra "Premium" features are useless dead weight if you never use them.
you should get the nobel prize for this statement, you definately hit the point rolleyes.gif
Edited by Blashyrkh - 4/19/14 at 8:40am
post #89 of 220
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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

Yes of course the sensor is THE special thing about this mouse, that's where the hype comes from, not from anything else.
And the thing is: we won't see this sensor in any non logitech mouse anytime soon.

Just wait, I bet they'll come up with a smaller form factor sooner or later.
Now that Logitech has done it, other companies should follow suit and get hold of a sensor that also has 0 smoothing/accel. Soon enough we shouldn't have to rely on Logitech!
post #90 of 220
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Originally Posted by mfc9x View Post

Now that Logitech has done it, other companies should follow suit and get hold of a sensor that also has 0 smoothing/accel. Soon enough we shouldn't have to rely on Logitech!

It seems that Logitech put quite a bit of time, effort and probably a decent amount of money into developing this sensor. Why should other companies get it anytime soon? I doubt Logitech is going to just let other companies use it.
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