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Oh sorry this started out as a question and turned into a log of my experiments.

1- I'm testing if the same (or similar) mouse with both the angle snapping solution and the smoothing solution to see the if first really is more responsive.

2- In case I actually find it more responsive I was wondering if there are differences in the amount of prediction between the mentioned mice. Because on the g1 it's too heavy for my taste.

3-Yes I did eventually try some franken-mouse experiments, kinda stuck half way but I have a couple of ideas. Not relevant to the thread.

I find that momentum in heavy mice messes with perception of lag, so I had to get the mice to the same weight.

The 800cpi step on the G400 (both versions) and the mx518v2 has no MCU recalculation.
As far as I know, on these generations of optical sensors both angle-snapping or smoothing are done by the sensor's DSP, before reaching MCU.
I know some mice can enable or disable angle-snapping in the driver, but these should also have smoothing.
The old ones with forced angle snapping apparently don't.

The way I understand it is that they are both algorithms made to contrast jitter, but with different approach.
Down sides being: one forces your movement, the other one lags.

On top of that, the same movement done with angle snapping will have all my counts resulting in x values with y=0, when without I would get movement on the y axis effectively "wasting" movement. This alone can make angle snapping feel faster.

Regarding the WMO, I'll use it as the final comparison, but I don't think I'll settle with such low tracking rates, so I wanted to avoid spending extra money on it..
In the end I found a nice one for cheap.

Thanks for the heads up on the lua.
Edited by the1freeMan - 5/30/14 at 5:50am
post #12 of 13
A kinzuadder 3G is what u need. I did some testing myself a few days ago. Switching drift controll ON/OFF (aka trying various ND and NDC firmwares)
Using the G1 mouse to test this is a very bad idea since its sensor is very special. eg. pollingrate 424 instead of 500 or 1000hz, so it doesn't sync anything + very strong anglesnapping/drift controll whatever. Anyways is the 3G sensor is the best solution to test this.. i don't think so as this sensor always feels very responsive. But from my testing the only diffrence with anglesnapping ON is the up/down ,left/right movement seems a little faster. Other than that it feels exactly the same. That beeing said i think the 3G anglesnapping is to low, at least on my unit (revision 3) Maybe as low as logitech G9. (barely noticable)
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post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by acid_reptile View Post

A kinzuadder 3G is what u need.

You said it!
3G sensors are just not that easy to find.. but I did dig out the g400v1 so everything is possible! smile.gif
You're right, G1 has weird polling rate, actually gets conflicting reads between programs



I'm using hidusbf on win7 x64.

With the G400v1 small movements feel more snappy and accurate than the v2.
I topped my aim training scores in CSGO with it!



I don't know maybe I just like a bit of prediction.. (this map actually calls for it)
Or it simply deals with angle error better.
Or on this mouse there is an actually difference in delay that the DA doesn't have.
Probably a mix of the 3.

EDIT: despite the "synthetic benchmark" I just can't adapt to that amount of forced movement in game, going back to the v2.

EDIT2: I realized the x-718bk I tried is a "rev 2 " with 3305dk sensor, that had lower prediction than the g400v1.

Found a simple and doubt clearing definition of smoothing.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1380535/cooler-master-usa-rep-looking-for-your-feedback-on-line-of-cm-storm-gaming-mice/340#post_21145566

It's basically lower transfer rate between sensor and mcu and is equal for 3080/3090

I've come to the conclusion that it's just the angle snapping that feels faster on x and y.
Managed to get the same scores with the v2 and with less wasted shots.
Edited by the1freeMan - 5/30/14 at 5:55am
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