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cant even do it on OCN. Even all the passwords thousands of users submit everyday to the site are clear text.

suppose its only a discussion forum but that's how you transition from a watering well to stand around and chat and move into something bigger and more profile personalized. I asked a few times now for ssl on this site but the shoulders just shrug.
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hasn't heartbleed been fixed by now? I mean come on...you just have to count the number of characters being asked for and only return those same numbers. We don't need to encrypt the Internet. We just need to fix the bug.

Patches are already slowly coming out. VMware should actually be good to go within a few days...though I've been doing some painful ESXi 5.5 to 5.1 migrations regardless.
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it's trivial for small things that aren't schedule sensitive (and depending on method of encryption). So for your normal webpages, sure the difference will be negligible. Imagine encrypting Netflix or Skype. And if they wanted to extend it to all network use (games included) that might cause lots of issues with delays. It would also be heavily impacted by local hardware. You for example have a 4770k, which is new and top of the line, and I believe haswell was supposed to be very good at encryption. But consider the general public that might be running on 5+ year old machines.

CPU encryption only matters if the software leverages the extensions. 256-bit encryption is totally trivial, I have a firewall at home (and a couple clients that have the same set-up) that has an Atom in it that has multiple IPSec VPN tunnels running AES-256 for Phase 1 and Phase 2, and it has no problem maxing out the 50Mbps internet connection on those tunnels.

And when I say no problem, it hardly goes above 3% utilization during traffic (with IPS/IDS disabled, of course).

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I'm more worried about Load balancers. F5's etc...

It's reasonably safe to assume most web servers/services are behind a loadbalancer. They have to decrypt all the data and send the decrypted packets to the servers then re-encrypt to send back to the client.

They are designed to do this, but when all traffic is required to be encrypted/decrypted 100% of the time that's going to be alot of load on the devices.

TCP/UDP headers are often not encrypted, but the data within them is. Otherwise routers would have to decrypt/encrypt every SSL packet to route them, which isn't practical.

It won't stop people from figuring out what IPs are connected to what services, but the contents of the data will be better protected.
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It needs a better solution, SSL isnt free and every tom dick and harry isnt gonna want to shed out money each year to keep things encrypted, SHTTP had the right idea with the abitility to use GPG for encyption, so you can create a web of trust,

There needs to be a free well trusted SSL provider set up, gived you 5 year certs and such, only charge for support, but there is to much money in ssl for that to ever happen redface.gif
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I think there should be wider spread use of encryption, but encrypting stuff like this post being sent to the over clock servers seems unnecessary as it will be posted publicly anyway. A lot of websites should look into encryption in areas that were dismissed as unneeded several years ago. IMO passwords need to go. Using certificates for each user would be really cool. You could store them in a wallet and only have to remember one password for the entire internet.
 
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hasn't heartbleed been fixed by now? I mean come on...you just have to count the number of characters being asked for and only return those same numbers. We don't need to encrypt the Internet. We just need to fix the bug.

Patches are already slowly coming out. VMware should actually be good to go within a few days...though I've been doing some painful ESXi 5.5 to 5.1 migrations regardless.

"Reset the Net" was in motion before Heartbleed was announced, it's just an anti-NSA measure. Probably futile, but I don't have an issue with making it more difficult.
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it's trivial for small things that aren't schedule sensitive (and depending on method of encryption). So for your normal webpages, sure the difference will be negligible. Imagine encrypting Netflix or Skype. And if they wanted to extend it to all network use (games included) that might cause lots of issues with delays. It would also be heavily impacted by local hardware. You for example have a 4770k, which is new and top of the line, and I believe haswell was supposed to be very good at encryption. But consider the general public that might be running on 5+ year old machines.

CPU encryption only matters if the software leverages the extensions. 256-bit encryption is totally trivial, I have a firewall at home (and a couple clients that have the same set-up) that has an Atom in it that has multiple IPSec VPN tunnels running AES-256 for Phase 1 and Phase 2, and it has no problem maxing out the 50Mbps internet connection on those tunnels.

And when I say no problem, it hardly goes above 3% utilization during traffic (with IPS/IDS disabled, of course).

hmmm...perhaps i'm over thinking this then.
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I think there should be wider spread use of encryption, but encrypting stuff like this post being sent to the over clock servers seems unnecessary as it will be posted publicly anyway. A lot of websites should look into encryption in areas that were dismissed as unneeded several years ago. IMO passwords need to go. Using certificates for each user would be really cool. You could store them in a wallet and only have to remember one password for the entire internet.

I've never been a fan of having all my passwords in one spot. If that one password is brute forced then everything become available. With multiple different passwords it would take slightly more time to lose everything. It's more of a pain to remember them all but for me it's worth it.
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That's where multi factor authentication comes into play.

For example I use lastpass to manage all my passwords. To access my Lastpass vault I need to enter my master password and then use my Yubikey, so even if my mater password is brute forced or keylogged it is useless without my Yubikey.
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I've never been a fan of having all my passwords in one spot. If that one password is brute forced then everything become available. With multiple different passwords it would take slightly more time. to lose everything. It's more of a pain to remember them all but for me it's worth it.

I agree with this thought entirely. Services like LastPass are great for convenience, but terrible from a security standpoint.

The biggest targets are the one with the most centralized data; it makes them more valuable, which in turn makes them more dangerous for the end-user.
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That's where multi factor authentication comes into play.

For example I use lastpass to manage all my passwords. To access my Lastpass vault I need to enter my master password and then use my Yubikey, so even if my mater password is brute forced or keylogged it is useless without my Yubikey.

Your concern shouldn't be about being compromised from the user-side, but from the server side (ie. Heartbleed).
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hasn't heartbleed been fixed by now? I mean come on...you just have to count the number of characters being asked for and only return those same numbers. We don't need to encrypt the Internet. We just need to fix the bug.

Patches are already slowly coming out. VMware should actually be good to go within a few days...though I've been doing some painful ESXi 5.5 to 5.1 migrations regardless.

"Reset the Net" was in motion before Heartbleed was announced, it's just an anti-NSA measure. Probably futile, but I don't have an issue with making it more difficult.

Really it isn't a bad idea. I mean we've been using pretty much the same protocols with some minor updates for what? 20 years? It might be time for something new that has more focus on security. Back when the Internet protocols were invented it was more important to share information...not hide it.

Though nothing is wrong with OpenSSL...just a software bug...and that just will happen. Once this is patched up they will have to find a new bug and I am sure they will...and then we will patch that too.

Heh, though this one was a pretty big one that probably should have been caught on many levels. I have a feeling a few department managers are still getting a butt chewing for it at organizations that used OpenSSL. I just hope that this doesn't hurt the open source arena too much. I mean this is better than the BEAST or Pad attack/exploit. This fix is at least easy to do. I don't think think BEAST or Padding attacks have ever been completely neutralized...since even if you are setup to protect against them it will be for nothing if the other end isn't. Heartbleed will be dead as soon as the servers are patched.
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