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hmmm...perhaps i'm over thinking this then.
I've never been a fan of having all my passwords in one spot. If that one password is brute forced then everything become available. With multiple different passwords it would take slightly more time to lose everything. It's more of a pain to remember them all but for me it's worth it.

The password is the encryption key for the wallet. The wallet with the certificates would be encrypted and only accessible by the encryption key. The thing that makes this better than passwords is because the certificates can be instantly created, log you in without a username/password field, and could easily be reissued if a certificate is compromised (like with heart bleed.) Hopefully most people can remember a semi-complex key if they only need to remember one.

Also, the wallet would be stored locally and/or offline.
 
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post #32 of 52
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Totally missed your point the first time around. You're right, Layer 7 load-balancing would definitely add some load to the balancers. I'm still not convinced that it would be significant enough to cause problems, though (again, assuming a reasonable level of encryption).
Well for instance one of our production F5's has 100K ACTIVE connections currently, and that's on the low side

There already are SSL certs applied to the some of the incoming external traffic, and of course some of those active connections are internal applications, it's sitting at about 30% utilization.

But that could jump quite high if all incoming traffic was SSL.

Granted we also just got some new Viprions to replace our current F5's so It probably won't be an issue. thumb.gif
     
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All up until quantum computer become a thing and will be able to decrypt everything instantly. At that point its all about nesting secure tunnels into a maze adding layers of junk data to sidetrack the pursuer. I'm probably wrong, but to some extent i'm right =)

The way i see it, secure the things that need to be secure. If I buy vitamins from an online store, who cares that they see X.X.X.X IP buy gummy bear vitamins. If you go to a regular store, i can spot all the people buying shampoo or whatever. I view the real world much like my virtual one. I dont tell people my password to my atm card, and i dont get drunk in a bar to a point where i make an ass out of myself for people to see and or record. I introduce myself as Zev to everyone i meet, and I dont tell them my last name unless i know them.

All in all, I prefer to have better police than to have stronger doors. Adding more and more locks is great until you realize that your backdoor is open. (Pun Intended) Detecting these people and cutting them off should take priority. But of course, easier said than done.
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The way i see it, secure the things that need to be secure. If I buy vitamins from an online store, who cares that they see X.X.X.X IP buy gummy bear vitamins. If you go to a regular store, i can spot all the people buying shampoo or whatever. I view the real world much like my virtual one.
Flaws in your assumption.....

Buying vitamins from online store? If I see a girl buying folic acid or prenatual vitamins, guess what? I now know something very personal about that girl. This actually happened where a company started sending baby coupons to the household of a teenage girl who didn't tell her parents. So... is that ok? You will be surprised about what your online purchases can tell about a person.... religion, race, age, sex, political leanings, etc.

The difference with the online world viewing is volume, aggregation, and linking to accounts. If you see a person in the store buying something, what do you know about them other than what they look liked or what they bought? This is whole different from capturing the purchase/sale information online or getting access to a database. With this, you basically know who, what, when, where. In addition, it is nearly trivial to scaling the capturing of 1 to 100K+ users. In the physical world, this scale is not trivial.

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All in all, I prefer to have better police than to have stronger doors. Adding more and more locks is great until you realize that your backdoor is open. (Pun Intended) Detecting these people and cutting them off should take priority. But of course, easier said than done.
Continuing your analogy..... How exactly do police protect your backdoor?

The Internet can be nearly anonymous. People can practice and develop locally before attacking. Attackers will always have the advantage in being first-movers. Identify Internet attacks before they happen is virtually impossible.

It is much much much easier to build strong defense rather trying to react to attacks.
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This would be a great idea if the entire internet was encrypted using different sources of encryption. Using one single source of encryption for the entire internet results in a single point of failure for bugs and exploits.
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This would be a great idea if the entire internet was encrypted using different sources of encryption. Using one single source of encryption for the entire internet results in a single point of failure for bugs and exploits.

On the other hand, one standard means things just work.....

Note, most of world already uses a handful of encryption and hashing standards/implementations already.
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This would be a great idea if the entire internet was encrypted using different sources of encryption. Using one single source of encryption for the entire internet results in a single point of failure for bugs and exploits.

Write your own SSL package that follows the standards! smile.gif
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Flaws in your assumption.....

Buying vitamins from online store? If I see a girl buying folic acid or prenatual vitamins, guess what? I now know something very personal about that girl. This actually happened where a company started sending baby coupons to the household of a teenage girl who didn't tell her parents. So... is that ok? You will be surprised about what your online purchases can tell about a person.... religion, race, age, sex, political leanings, etc.

The difference with the online world viewing is volume, aggregation, and linking to accounts. If you see a person in the store buying something, what do you know about them other than what they look liked or what they bought? This is whole different from capturing the purchase/sale information online or getting access to a database. With this, you basically know who, what, when, where. In addition, it is nearly trivial to scaling the capturing of 1 to 100K+ users. In the physical world, this scale is not trivial.

Your example of the teenagers getting pregnant that live with their parents and dont tell them they are having a kid, i personally would appreciate some notification like that if i had a kid. I agree that it can be embarising to buy some things at a store, but society has always run like this, yet only recently do people seem to have a problem with it. The majority of the time, even in a croud at a store, you still are technically anonomous. They see you, but know nothing about you. No name, no address, nothing other than you are buying cat food... so you probably have a cat too. If you live in a small town where everyone knows everyone... there is never privacy.

In addition, what your talking about is marketing not security. Google, NewEgg, Amazon, whoever knows what you bought and have a personal profile on you already. No levels of security will change that. Some companies will sell this information out. Adding laws saying that companies must disclose to their patrons before they purchase something that they can sell this info. Which are probably in the agreements already. So, if someone does a man in the middle attack on you, and your credentials are secure, they will know I was looking at catfood. Do they hack into stuff like this into large scale? Getting 1 person or building is 1 thing, but enough to do anything ... doubtful.

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Continuing your analogy..... How exactly do police protect your backdoor?

The Internet can be nearly anonymous. People can practice and develop locally before attacking. Attackers will always have the advantage in being first-movers. Identify Internet attacks before they happen is virtually impossible.

It is much much much easier to build strong defense rather trying to react to attacks.

So, we have the police in the real world, but who are the police in the virtual world? There is none. Granted it would be hard to set something like that up, but that's what i prefer. A hacker in China can hack away into any server outside of their country and there isn't much they can do about it. If there was a global initiative that Countries can be a part of that would address and handle these issues, then it would help reduce the amount. Reducing the amount helps with the backdoors. Heartbleed affected a ton of systems, the more hackers there are doing it, the more data was extracted. Having less hackers, means less data stolen... ie less likely that someone will go trough your unlocked back door. My main point is that Your backdoor will always be there in one way or another, adding a 4th lock to the door isn't going to change much. Going from a username \ password to a 2 factor authentication is a huge jump. Adding a 3rd and 4th factor... the effectiveness diminishes fast.


But back to the whole point. I need to go to the store and buy some deodorant today as well as a new light-bulb for my office. If you see someone buying a light-bulb and deodorant today or tomorrow at Walmart.. that was probably me. I guess i am saving the hackers some time and effort by having them not decrypt that bit of information in my life. If I come home and Amazon has predicted this and already sent me this stuff waiting at home... awesome.. they just saved me 20-30 minutes. Also hackers... i post on OCN. OCN doesnt need to encrypt the posts that i am reading... just my username and password.

In regards to education... things like facebook is your biggest threat. Whats annoying is that even if you protect yourself, that doesnt protect you from your friends ignorance. Encrypting does nothing when they have their profiles as public, go to a party at your house for which they posted they are going to tonight and take a picture that gets posted on facebook with embedded gps data.
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This is not news! Moved.
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Doesn't seem like a realistic expectation to have the whole internet encrypted. I know many parts already are but not everything should or is going to be.
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