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Okay so here's my story. Sit down, kiddies, 'cuz it's gonna be a long one.

A while ago, much longer than I would like, I started re-building my rig. Bought mostly new parts so basically I started building a new rig. I had never done water cooling before, but I knew I wanted to water cool this project - not because I'm into OCing or heavy on gaming, but mostly for the cool-factor and aesthetics.

After night after night of internet browsing, I decided to buy a 1st gen Corsair H50 off eBay and planned to modify the hoses to achieve that custom-loop appearance. I did this mod, and I must say it was incredibly frustrating. I used in-line Ts to bleed the air from the closed loop and this proved to be an asinine amount of work.

Finally I was done and it came out nice, but I immediately realized that two 3/8" OD tubes did not achieve the look I was going for, and would look pretty weak. So I decided that I'd not only cool my CPU, but my GPU as well. So I bought an NZXT Kraken G10 with intent to dedicate my H50 to the GPU, and bought a 1st gen Corsair H60 to use on the CPU.

The Kraken G10 bracket arrived, and to add to my frustration it didn't fit the H50 without modification. I had to grind down the edges of the shroud on the H50 in order for it to clear the bracket, which proved to be a grievous investment of my time. But finally I got this to fit.

Then my H60 arrived, and I modified it just as I had with the H50. But when I was done, I turned it on and quickly found that the H60 was DOA. Didn't even turn on. So this was a complete waste of effort, time and money. More frustrated, I got back on the internet and ordered a replacement - this time an H100.

When the H100 arrived I tested it first to make sure it turned on, and it did. So I got to doing the mod, and went through this stupid process a third time, lamenting over how many hours I'd spent doing it. And more frustration came when during the modification process, I realized that the H100 moves next to no water at all. It must be called the H100 because it's 50 times weaker than the H50. Seriously I probably dribble more water out of my mouth when I'm sleeping than this thing pumps in a day.

This concerned me, so I did some googling and found that this is simply the way with the H100, it is apparently not meant to pump a lot of water but 'just enough' to circulate the heat. But I wasn't convinced, and sure enough, when I installed it and fired up the machine, the CPU temp got on a steady climb all the way up to 105°C, at which point I shut it down.

So obviously the H100 isn't working, and just as it was with the H60, I can't return it because I've modified it. Now, I don't think it's advisable to piss away more money on another Corsair cooler that might be similarly wasted. Plus I am really tired of the whole ordeal, which is much more frustrating than I ever imagined, and I'm thinking way more frustrating than doing a real custom loop.

So I think it would make me most comfortable to throw all this sh** away and just do it right. That said, could my friends at OCN help me out in picking a water cooling system that will not cost a lot? I'd justify spending about $250 to be rid of these annoyances and finally done with my build. The components I need to cool are my AMD Phenom II X6 1035T and my NVIDIA GTX670. That's it.

I'm looking at this XSPC kit, along with this XSPC GPU block. Am I headed in the right direction or would anyone advise me differently?

Keep in mind my case is an NZXT H230 and it does not accommodate a large radiator. I'll have to do two 120mm radiators. With the equipment I just listed I would attempt to sell the dual radiator and use two of these radiators or something similar, since I only have enough space for two single radiators placed one on top of the other (see my drawing). This takes up less vertical space than a dual radiator.
Edited by Techspectre - 4/17/14 at 8:54am
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What the heck were you expecting? The H series is meant for people who just want to put it on and go, not some custom loop show rig. They don't make them expandable by all means lol. I mean with the H50, H60, and H100 you spend over $200 right? Just bust out your wallet and shell out the $$$ for what you want.
    
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What the heck were you expecting? The H series is meant for people who just want to put it on and go, not some custom loop show rig. They don't make them expandable by all means lol. I mean with the H50, H60, and H100 you spend over $200 right? Just bust out your wallet and shell out the $$$ for what you want.

That's what I want to do, I'm just asking for opinions on what to get.
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Okay so here's my story. Sit down, kiddies, 'cuz it's gonna be a long one.

A while ago, much longer than I would like, I started re-building my rig. Bought mostly new parts so basically I started building a new rig. I had never done water cooling before, but I knew I wanted to water cool this project - not because I'm into OCing or heavy on gaming, but mostly for the cool-factor and aesthetics.

After night after night of internet browsing, I decided to buy a 1st gen Corsair H50 off eBay and planned to modify the hoses to achieve that custom-loop appearance. I did this mod, and I must say it was incredibly frustrating. I used in-line Ts to bleed the air from the closed loop and this proved to be an asinine amount of work.

Finally I was done and it came out nice, but I immediately realized that two 3/8" OD tubes did not achieve the look I was going for, and would look pretty weak. So I decided that I'd not only cool my CPU, but my GPU as well. So I bought an NZXT Kraken G10 with intent to dedicate my H50 to the GPU, and bought a 1st gen Corsair H60 to use on the CPU.

The Kraken G10 bracket arrived, and to add to my frustration it didn't fit the H50 without modification. I had to grind down the edges of the shroud on the H50 in order for it to clear the bracket, which proved to be a grievous investment of my time. But finally I got this to fit.

Then my H60 arrived, and I modified it just as I had with the H50. But when I was done, I turned it on and quickly found that the H60 was DOA. Didn't even turn on. So this was a complete waste of effort, time and money. More frustrated, I got back on the internet and ordered a replacement - this time an H100.

When the H100 arrived I tested it first to make sure it turned on, and it did. So I got to doing the mod, and went through this stupid process a third time, lamenting over how many hours I'd spent doing it. And more frustration came when during the modification process, I realized that the H100 moves next to no water at all. It must be called the H100 because it's 50 times weaker than the H50. Seriously I probably dribble more water out of my mouth when I'm sleeping than this thing pumps in a day.

This concerned me, so I did some googling and found that this is simply the way with the H100, it is apparently not meant to pump a lot of water but 'just enough' to circulate the heat. But I wasn't convinced, and sure enough, when I installed it and fired up the machine, the CPU temp got on a steady climb all the way up to 105°C, at which point I shut it down.

So obviously the H100 isn't working, and just as it was with the H60, I can't return it because I've modified it. Now, I don't think it's advisable to piss away more money on another Corsair cooler that might be similarly wasted. Plus I am really tired of the whole ordeal, which is much more frustrating than I ever imagined, and I'm thinking way more frustrating than doing a real custom loop.

So I think it would make me most comfortable to throw all this sh** away and just do it right. That said, could my friends at OCN help me out in picking a water cooling system that will not cost a lot? I'd justify spending about $250 to be rid of these annoyances and finally done with my build. The components I need to cool are my AMD Phenom II X6 1035T and my NVIDIA GTX670. That's it.

I'm looking at this XSPC kit, along with this XSPC GPU block. Am I headed in the right direction or would anyone advise me differently?

Keep in mind my case is an NZXT H230 and it does not accommodate a large radiator. I'll have to do two 120mm radiators. With the equipment I just listed I would attempt to sell the dual radiator and use two of these radiators or something similar, since I only have enough space for two single radiators placed one on top of the other (see my drawing). This takes up less vertical space than a dual radiator.

 

I wouldn't go with that XSPC kit. The pump is notoriously loud, and tends to fail after a while. Unfortunately, your budget also doesn't allow you to go with the XSPC D5 Photon 240 rad kit. So you are left with very few options.

 

The one that I would personally suggest would be going the Swiftech H220 route.

 

You could do a setup of:

 

  • Swiftech H220 ($99)
  • Swiftech MicroRes ($25)
  • The universal GPU block you linked (although make sure to get some copper heatsinks and thermal adhesive to attach them to your vrms/vram and have a fan blowing straight onto them. Or you can go with a full cover waterblock and not have to worry about it. ($60)
  • Primochill Advance LRT 3/8ID 5/8OD tubing (specifically Primochill Advanced LRT, as that is currently one of the only tubing on the market without plasticizer issues). ($10-15)
  • Fittings. ($10-20)

 

Total: ~$220

 

The H220 is an expandable AIO with a pump that is pretty much comparable (or if I'm not mistaken, actually is) a DDC pump. And would be more than enough to drive a simple loop like what you are trying to cool.

 

 

 

However, if you really can afford it (and I know this is costly), I'd go with the XSPC D5 Photon kit, replacement Primochill Advanced LRT tubing (example) to replace the unbelievably awful XSPC tubing, and a GPU block (universal or card specific). But only if you can afford to do a kit like this.

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I wouldn't go with that XSPC kit. The pump is notoriously loud, and tends to fail after a while. Unfortunately, your budget also doesn't allow you to go with the XSPC D5 Photon 240 rad kit. So you are left with very few options.

The one that I would personally suggest would be going the Swiftech H220 route.

You could do a setup of:
  • Swiftech H220 ($99)
  • Swiftech MicroRes ($25)
  • The universal GPU block you linked (although make sure to get some copper heatsinks and thermal adhesive to attach them to your vrms/vram and have a fan blowing straight onto them. Or you can go with a full cover waterblock and not have to worry about it. ($60)
  • Primochill Advance LRT 3/8ID 5/8OD tubing (specifically Primochill Advanced LRT, as that is currently one of the only tubing on the market without plasticizer issues). ($10-15)
  • Fittings. ($10-20)

Total: ~$220

The H220 is an expandable AIO with a pump that is pretty much comparable (or if I'm not mistaken, actually is) a DDC pump. And would be more than enough to drive a simple loop like what you are trying to cool.



However, if you really can afford it (and I know this is costly), I'd go with the XSPC D5 Photon kit, replacement Primochill Advanced LRT tubing (example) to replace the unbelievably awful XSPC tubing, and a GPU block (universal or card specific). But only if you can afford to do a kit like this.

Interesting suggestion. That Swifttech unit uses 1/2" hoses like an XSPC GPU block does? They look like the same 1/4" tubes the Corsairs use, as far as I can tell. And are you sure this thing is as powerful as a DDC pump? I really don't want to buy another AIO cooler and have it gurgle water like the H100 does.
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OP - Dude, I would buy Swiftech Apogee Drive II, barbs, hose clamps, and hoses for the Modified H50/60 radiator, and get rid of the crappy Corsair Pump unit if i were you. the mission will be achieves! mark my words. tongue.gif
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Interesting suggestion. That Swifttech unit uses 1/2" hoses like an XSPC GPU block does? They look like the same 1/4" tubes the Corsairs use, as far as I can tell. And are you sure this thing is as powerful as a DDC pump? I really don't want to buy another AIO cooler and have it gurgle water like the H100 does.

He linked you to the product page. I have the unit but here is the info about the tubing from the page he linked you: "5/8" x 3/8" (16/10mm)."

For more information on the unit, you can check the product page on their website @ http://www.swiftech.com/H220.aspx or the thread here on OCN @ http://www.overclock.net/t/1367654/swiftech-h220-h320-and-cm-glacer-240l-360l-owners-club/0_50

It is an excellent AIO option and people have added on a lot to them. If you ask a question in the OCN thread you will receive replies from multiple users who personally own and have modified the product to do even more. The thread also has a Swiftech Rep there to answer questions, help with RMA process, video chat with you to help with technical aspects if needed and answer general questions about the unit and other Swiftech products. His activity and help is what convinced me to get this unit. I love it and will be adding my GPU into the loop in the future.

My suggestion is exactly what Kinaesthetic mentioned except I might opt for a full cover gpu block if money permits.
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