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So lets run with this "no need to compare to other products" concept and see how it plays out:

The i5-4670K is a bad gaming CPU because it only gets 30FPS in some games.

Hmm, you sure like to use the "reduction to absurdity" argument a lot.

I'll go one better on the on the reduce to the absurd route " performance per core is all that matters, therefore a single core haswell would be the best gaming chip ever"
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Hell realistically all the OP has to do is look at the people who own 8350's saying it's fine. Benchmarks and comparisons aside, if everyone USING the cpu say it works for gaming then it obviously does. If it was a bad product people wouldn't recommend it. Do you see anyone recommending off brand psu's? Never, they're all crap. Do you see anyone recommending the titan or any of the 1000 dollar cpu's/gpu's? No they're stupid overpriced.

If the users say it works then it almost certainly does; I cant see a dozen people all straight lying about the performance of a chip. If it was bad they would switch to intel because no one, fanboy or not, is gonna stick with garbage hardware for gaming, we ALL like fast systems.
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How bad is bad?
How good is good?

My system is limited by the GPU, not the CPU.

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You guys are killing me.

Is the FX 8350 a good gaming CPU? Yes
Is it the best price/performance CPU? No.

In my humble opinion, Intel has one price/performance champ, and AMD has one too.

Intel's price/performance CPU champ: i5 4670k: $210-230
AMD's price/performance CPU champ: FX-8320: $140-160

Intel definitely has faster CPU's, but above the i5 4670k, the value begins to diminish very quickly (The i7 4770k is a $100 jump for 100mhz and hyper-threading).
AMD has a faster CPU than the FX-8320, but it is $60 more expensive for 200mhz (when boosted), and both the FX 8320 and 8350 overclock to virtually the exact same levels.


My recommendation from each camp is bolded above.
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How bad is bad?
How good is good?

My system is limited by the GPU, not the CPU.


Yes you are GPU limited in Bioshock among other titles. There are other games where you would be limited by the CPU.

Its not really how good or bad the FX-8350 or FX9590 are in them selves. People can go on and on about how their FX-8350 "plays games fine" or give "acceptable" FPS but it is and always has been about value for money. If you have two similar priced platforms one CPU that gives you 55FPS and an other that gives you 60FPS then its obvious that the one that gives 60 is the better choice and no amount of beat around the bush is going to change that. You can keep saying its "good enough" all day but in the end the 4670k is the superior gaming chip so why would anyone want to buy the inferior chip.

Again keep in mind this is in the gaming context. If some one just wants an FX chip to play around with that's totally up to them and if someone was building a budget video rendering rig then the FX-8350 would be a more attractive choice for example but for gaming right now the 4670k is the chip of choice.
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I don't play those obsolete single thread games. The AMD cpu works better for me and costs less. As I showed its FPS is more than just adequate.

Also, these charts show that AMD has the best bang for your buck.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9590+Eight-Core
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9590+Eight-Core&id=2014
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

You have to go way down to find a mere i5.
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I'm looking at a new build soon. The FX 8350 is one of the cpu choices right now. What I would like to know is this.
Is it a gamming chip? (games like farming simulator and BF4)
How is the OC on this chip?
Does the FX mean is overclockable?
What kind of temps?
What MB would pair with this chip.
Thanks.
Yes, it's a very good gaming chip, and particularly for BF3/4 because that game is able to use all the execution cores you can throw at it. It's not as good on older games that use just one or two threads, but with a good video card, it's more than good enough.

Most FX-8350 chips will hit about 4.4 GHz right out of the box with stock cooling or not much more. Nearly all will reach 4.7-4.8 with just a little work, and 5.0 is likely with a high-end closed loop.

All FX chips have unlocked multipliers, and are designed to be OC friendly. AMD has even published guides on overclocking them.

Temps depend on your cooling solution. When overclocked past about 4.5, they tend to run very hot and need a high-end cooling solution. My enormous HE01 dual-tower air cooler with two fans can only keep it cool to about 4.85. Something like an H110 will let you go higher.

Any motherboard with an 8+2 VRM configuration (except for a few bad MSI boards) should be able to handle an overclocked FX-8350. Use one with a 990FX chipset if you want to use more than one video card. If you don't plan to use Crossfire or SLI, a Gigabyte 970A-UD3 or UD3P with 8+2 and a 970 chipset will work well and be a little cheaper. You can get the best recommendations in the "AMD Motherboards" section of this site.
     
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I don't play those obsolete single thread games. The AMD cpu works better for me and costs less. As I showed its FPS is more than just adequate.

Also, these charts show that AMD has the best bang for your buck.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9590+Eight-Core
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9590+Eight-Core&id=2014
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core&id=1780

You have to go way down to find a mere i5.

Games where an piledriver performs better or even ties an 4670k are very few in number. If you only play thous games then you don't play many games do you and if by "works better for me" are referring to none gaming tasks then that's not really relevant in this thread as we are specifically focusing on gaming performance.

Adequate FPS or not isn't really the issue at hand. An FX-4300 or an i3 3225 will give "adequate" FPS in lots of games to but you don't see anyone haling them as superb "gaming" chips, you know why? Because most gamer don't want just adequate FPS they want as much FPS as their money can buy and they wan't the FPS to be good in the games they play not the limited selection of games you play. As many gamer's don't know exactly what games they will be playing down the line its stands to reason they wan't an CPU that will perform as good as possible regardless of how multi-threaded the devs have managed to make the game.

Let me ask you this. Is there any upcoming game you wan't to play? Say Watch dogs or perhaps Witcher 3. Then lets say the devs ran into trouble making that game and it ended up relaying very heavily on one thread and thus would run better on an Intel chip. Would you then turn up your nose at that game because you "don't play those obsolete single thread games"?

People have been talking about how future games are going to be better multi-threaded ever since the early C2Q/Phenom 1 days but even now 7 years later we still see developers struggle to get their games to scale well of cores. That's the reality.

As for price, its great that you got a good deal on your FX-9590 and it ended up cheaper for you then going with an i5 but again that's besides the point. Personally circumstance are always going to change. Perhaps my local shop has exceptionally low price on FX and/or have very high prices on Intel stuff or vice versa. Perhaps my locale shop will sell Titan's at half price next week, who knows? We here on OCN can't really account for that unless the place of purchase is mentioned. Otherwise we just have to go by expected prices. For US prices newegg is often used as an reference.

Going by expected prices an similarly featured gaming PC using an FX-8350 and an gaming PC using an 4670k are going to end up costing about the same. If you have the money for an FX-8350 its better spent on an 4670k. If you need to pinch some pennies to get a decent graphics card then you have to drop down to an FX-8320 or FX-6350 to make an appreciable difference.
    
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Remember that the new consoles each use 8-core x86 processors. I don't think it's too far fetched that future games will be more highly threaded. Those consoles should teach developers how to create highly optimized and multi-threaded code.
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I believe I read the new Watch Dogs will use all eight cores.
    
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