Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › DW + "additives" for a mixed copper and nickel loop?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

DW + "additives" for a mixed copper and nickel loop?

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
Hello all!

I'm looking to run with Distilled Water for my upcoming loop, which features a copper CPU block and a nickel GPU block. I'm having a tough time determining which sorts of additives I need to be using to reduce build-up and corrosion in my loop.

In my reading thus far, PT Nuke and Silver Kill Coils are recommended quite regularly, however I believe PT Nuke is designed solely for reducing biological growth, and Silver Kill Coils are designed for inhibiting corrosion in copper-exclusive loops. Am I wrong with my interpretation?

If I'm not wrong, it seems like buying PT Nuke by itself will not suffice to fully "protect" me from trouble with my loop down the road, and Silver Kill Coils aren't exactly relevant to me due to the mix'n'match nature of metals used in my blocks. So what the devil should I be looking to purchase haha? redface.gif

Bonus points if anyone can direct me to solutions (no pun intended) available in Australia, although it's not mandatory thumb.gif
post #2 of 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

Hello all!

I'm looking to run with Distilled Water for my upcoming loop, which features a copper CPU block and a nickel GPU block. I'm having a tough time determining which sorts of additives I need to be using to reduce build-up and corrosion in my loop.

In my reading thus far, PT Nuke and Silver Kill Coils are recommended quite regularly, however I believe PT Nuke is designed solely for reducing biological growth, and Silver Kill Coils are designed for inhibiting corrosion in copper-exclusive loops. Am I wrong with my interpretation?

If I'm not wrong, it seems like buying PT Nuke by itself will not suffice to fully "protect" me from trouble with my loop down the road, and Silver Kill Coils aren't exactly relevant to me due to the mix'n'match nature of metals used in my blocks. So what the devil should I be looking to purchase haha? redface.gif

Bonus points if anyone can direct me to solutions (no pun intended) available in Australia, although it's not mandatory thumb.gif

Silver coils will accelerate corrosion, not sure where you heard it inhibits corrosion. PT Nuke, i.e. copper sulphate (CuSo4) will also accelerate corrosion although unless you pull a bonehead move and dump then entire 10ml bottle in there it's effects are usually negligible at best. PT Nuke PHN however is benzyl chloride which is a very mild corrosion inhibitor but it absolutely obliterates dyes. Silver more cathodic than copper, so copper loses an electron accelerating it's corrosion, silver gains an electron and becomes more anodic. The more anodic metal will always corrode, nickle is even more anodic than copper so it will accelerate even faster. If you want corrosion inhibitors stick with Mayhems X1, thekoolroom is an Ausi based liquid cooling reseller that stocks mayhems.

http://www.thekoolroom.com/search/?query=Mayhems+X1&records=24
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 6
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZytheEKS View Post

Silver coils will accelerate corrosion, not sure where you heard it inhibits corrosion. PT Nuke, i.e. copper sulphate (CuSo4) will also accelerate corrosion although unless you pull a bonehead move and dump then entire 10ml bottle in there it's effects are usually negligible at best. PT Nuke PHN however is benzyl chloride which is a very mild corrosion inhibitor but it absolutely obliterates dyes. Silver more cathodic than copper, so copper loses an electron accelerating it's corrosion, silver gains an electron and becomes more anodic. The more anodic metal will always corrode, nickle is even more anodic than copper so it will accelerate even faster. If you want corrosion inhibitors stick with Mayhems X1, thekoolroom is an Ausi based liquid cooling reseller that stocks mayhems.

http://www.thekoolroom.com/search/?query=Mayhems+X1&records=24

Ahhh I see! Maybe I was looking at posts which weren't factoring in nickel plated products (where the corrosion due to copper <-> silver is negligible)? Superb explanation too thumb.gif

You wouldn't believe it but I saw X1 @ thekoolroom 2 days ago and passed it off since I thought I could do better elsewhere redface.gif Do these sorts of coolants pose any troubles in terms of component temperatures and/or product build-up over time?
post #4 of 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

Ahhh I see! Maybe I was looking at posts which weren't factoring in nickel plated products (where the corrosion due to copper <-> silver is negligible)? Superb explanation too thumb.gif

You wouldn't believe it but I saw X1 @ thekoolroom 2 days ago and passed it off since I thought I could do better elsewhere redface.gif Do these sorts of coolants pose any troubles in terms of component temperatures and/or product build-up over time?

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrode-potential-d_482.html

Those potentials were measured in salt water so they would be far less distant in normal water, but you can see which metals are more cathodic, anoidic and what not.

Used it for a couple years now and never had an issue, X1 is my go to coolant. X1 performs nearly identically to distilled water, overclockerstech did a review a while ago ago and the temps on one of the CPU cores were so similar the X1 actually had 0.1celsius lower temps than with distilled but that's just margin for error but non the less shows you it won't mess with temps. Mayhems Pastel will have around 1-2 Celsius higher coolant temp. It's got all the corrosion inhibitors, biocides, and surfactants you need.
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZytheEKS View Post

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrode-potential-d_482.html

Those potentials were measured in salt water so they would be far less distant in normal water, but you can see which metals are more cathodic, anoidic and what not.

Used it for a couple years now and never had an issue, X1 is my go to coolant. X1 performs nearly identically to distilled water, overclockerstech did a review a while ago ago and the temps on one of the CPU cores were so similar the X1 actually had 0.1celsius lower temps than with distilled but that's just margin for error but non the less shows you it won't mess with temps. Mayhems Pastel will have around 1-2 Celsius higher coolant temp. It's got all the corrosion inhibitors, biocides, and surfactants you need.

Ahh yes! Okay I see now haha smile.gif

Well, well, well... looks like I have an excuse to go with a black dye after all, since the X1 range features a Oil Black dye biggrin.gif Thank you for all the info!
post #6 of 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

Ahh yes! Okay I see now haha smile.gif

Well, well, well... looks like I have an excuse to go with a black dye after all, since the X1 range features a Oil Black dye biggrin.gif Thank you for all the info!

Pop over to the Mayhems Users Club if you have any questions, it's a great place for diagnosing and solving any issues that might be related to the coolant. More often then not it's an issue with the radiators or tubing, but non the less people there are usually quick to help.
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
The Laboratory
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core 4.0GHz Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z Radeon R9 290X Generic 1333MHz R.A.M. 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Wester Digital 5400RPM HP CH20L "The Russian Winter" Windows 8 
KeyboardPowerCase
Steel Series Merc Fatal1ty 1000Watt PSU DIY Rig 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › DW + "additives" for a mixed copper and nickel loop?