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Having a feeling it'll OC worse than Haswell. Not spending money on another upgrade anytime soon unless there are huge gains.
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Is the reason Intel is so slow on upgrading processors is because there really isn't much of a market

Yeah, partly. It's two reasons, one the financial meltdown globally after 2009-10 that still dissipates, which as you say drops sales a bit and two, it's genuinely harder to shrink the transistor every generation. One could claim it's the mobiles, but I doubt it, it's a red herring since the other two reasons are so strong. Besides, even if it's a factor, mobiles are also chip users so they will catch up to the problem sooner or later.

The claims that people aren't "interested"(vaguely) are very wrong since those feelings were very strong in the 90s too, the age where we had every year DOUBLE (!) the performance. People were whining "muaaah why do I have to upgrade again muaaaah" and companies were still releasing chips.

So yeah, they would release them every year if they could, if they could make them double the speed every year on same cost, that's not their problem. It's more money for them. But they can't. It's harder. And the reason we have things like the GTX 780. A big and expensive chip.
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Performance per watt is of priority right now instead of raw performance.

Same thing though. It was always like that. You run something fast slower and it's "power efficient" now.

Well, you could claim they may explicitly limit frequency now by design but I doubt it's like that.

I think they mainly do by simply shrinking the dies. e.g. notice the last Intel chips are smaller!
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Having a feeling it'll OC worse than Haswell.

Most probably. NVIDIA claimed (with the aid of Intel(!) data) that the smaller the transistor process, the harder to deviate voltage from factory defaults:


Around 21:30.
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I think Skylake will be the last major performance improvement before graphene CPUs replace silicon CPUs.
Sandy Bridge was just a ~10% improvement over Westmere, so Skylake will probably bring about the same improvement (more or less).
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Performance per watt is of priority right now instead of raw performance.

Given things nowadays tend to be power limited, either in supplying it or exhausting it, these aren't mutually exclusive.
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I think Skylake will be the last major performance improvement before graphene CPUs replace silicon CPUs.

Well, whatever happens it's gonna be extremely hard to get anything impressive as time goes by. Word on the street of quantum mechanics is beyond 10 nanometers you are playing with vast limitations.

Discouraging thing is Graphene can't go subatomic either. But I guess it might buy you 20 years. If it even works.

A lot of algorithmic advances seem to be in the future as the main chance, though we already exhausted some.
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I am guessing with limitations we are seeing now multiprocessor systems will become more prevalent with power usage going down so much or even stacking cores
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Intel, stahp.Pls, stahp. rolleyes.gif

I genuinely appreciate your efforts towards power efficiency, but I'm not impressed about saving(in a year) less dollars than what I spend in a mildly boring weekend night. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I really want to buy your next monster K proccessor, but you're not making it easy by NOT RELEASING IT. mad.gif
    
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AMD seems to be doing great with that wattage thing with the cTDP. I just go into my Bios and change my heat/wattage in seconds.

we've done that for years by just changing volts/clocks, it only takes a few seconds. It's much more idiot-proof now, though
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I wonder if i'll ever replace my 2500k... feels like forever ago when I got my new setup.
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I am guessing with limitations we are seeing now multiprocessor systems will become more prevalent with power usage going down so much or even stacking cores

Well yeah thing is we already used some of that potential. And multiprocessing isn't the be all and end all, it has its limits. If you can just split jobs in a non-coordinated manner, e.g. video encoding or a GPU, fine, more cores are enough but for interactive applications speed-per-core will always be needed. At least one fast thread should coordinate the chaos of the other threads (simplification), and it gets worse the more they are.

Power usage is synonymous with speed. They never really made power efficient foundries lately, they just made slower chips.

We always had power efficient chips, we run them slower. If the design was bad and it was leaking power bills, it's different.
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