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Right now I'm sporting a Megaflow 200mm intake in front, a Megaflow exhaust up top, a Sickleflow 120mm in the side, and a Sickleflow exhaust in the rear. I'm thinking about picking up a couple sets of Cougar Turbine CFT12SB4s while they're on sale at Newegg and stripping out all of my current case fans for them since they're quieter, get good air flow, and have better rated static pressure than the Megaflows.

I'm seriously considering this because I just don't think my machine is moving as much air as it could. I'm specifically concerned about the Megaflow intake because it doesn't generate much static pressure at all, and the Megaflow exhaust doesn't seem to move much air out of the case. My guess is that's because the Sickleflow exhaust is pulling the majority of it. Is this worth pursuing, or should I just stick with what I've got? I think I'd get improved sound from my machine and better air flow, but it's hard to say without blowing $50 on fans.

I'm specifically concerned about static pressure because the front intake area on this case has multiple screens for dust/hair layered on top of each other along with plastic parts that wrap around the front and cover some of the fan surface, and while the screens breathe fairly well I don't think that the Megaflow is moving as much air as 2x120s potentially could. What do you guys think? Pull the trigger, or just keep on with what's mostly working for me?

I'll be real with you: I don't know if these are legitimate concerns or if this is just another attempt to make a project for myself. Sometimes it's hard to tell, and that's why I'm asking.
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and while the screens breathe fairly well I don't think that the Megaflow is moving as much air as 2x120s potentially could. What do you guys think? Pull the trigger, or just keep on with what's mostly working for me?

Yeah, the 200mm fans dont generate much air pressure at all. I would look at some less pricey fans, as almost any 120 fan will have more air pressure. And I would minimize as much as I could the intake restrictions, leaving the minimal to catch the dust.
    
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+1 to what cpmee said, 200mm fans are poor at handling restriction, you would be better with 120mm or 140mm fans.

What CPU cooler do you have, this will slightly effected by the cooler you have.

One of the misconceptions I see a lot is that you need to spend a lot on fans to have a quiet system. You can look at cheaper alternatives, go with a fans you like the look of or can accept then go from there.
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200MM Fans are not meant for Static Pressure. They are meant for overall air flow at low noise. And thats where the Megaflows are good. 110CFM @ 700RPM. Thats a lot of air moving at low RPMs. This is done at 19dba.(Specs as listed at Newegg). Now as an example fan I am gonna use the Cooler Master Sickleflow. They are rated at 69CFM @ 2000RPM at 19dba. (Specs listed at Newegg.). As you can see, the Megaflows move almost 2x as much air at half the RPM. Like I said, the 200mm fan line in almost any brand is not meant for static pressure but overall amount of air moved. Just because you you don't feel as much air on your hand on the 200mm as you do the 120mm does not mean its no0t moving more air.

I have a HAF 922 with a 200mm Megaflow in the front(intake) and a 200mm Megaflow in the top(exhaust) with a 120mm in the back on my H60 as intake. So I am coming from a bit of knowledge on this matter. I can tell you that this is very effective for me. Now you may think about putting 2x 120mm fans up top, but I would only do that if I were going to put a 240 rad up there. 2x 120mm up top will only increase the amount of fan noise you get from your case.

As for the Cougars you listed. They get a supposed 60cfm @17.7dba. Which means theorhetically 2x COUGAR CFT12SB4 will get get 120cfm at 35dba(may not be the actual math for this.) You will then get just a bit more cfm and quite a bit more noise.

Personally, if I were looking to upgrade my intake and exhaust 200mm fans I would go with the BitFenix BFF-SPRO-20025KK-RP based on the stats alone. There is only one other 200mm fan that out CFM's the BitFenix and that the NZXT FN-200RB. But NZXT 200mm Fans, if I remember correctly, use a weird mounting screw offset that makes fitting it to the HAF Case difficult.
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Right now I'm sporting a Megaflow 200mm intake in front, a Megaflow exhaust up top, a Sickleflow 120mm in the side, and a Sickleflow exhaust in the rear. I'm thinking about picking up a couple sets of Cougar Turbine CFT12SB4s while they're on sale at Newegg and stripping out all of my current case fans for them since they're quieter, get good air flow, and have better rated static pressure than the Megaflows.

I'm seriously considering this because I just don't think my machine is moving as much air as it could. I'm specifically concerned about the Megaflow intake because it doesn't generate much static pressure at all, and the Megaflow exhaust doesn't seem to move much air out of the case. My guess is that's because the Sickleflow exhaust is pulling the majority of it. Is this worth pursuing, or should I just stick with what I've got? I think I'd get improved sound from my machine and better air flow, but it's hard to say without blowing $50 on fans.

I'm specifically concerned about static pressure because the front intake area on this case has multiple screens for dust/hair layered on top of each other along with plastic parts that wrap around the front and cover some of the fan surface, and while the screens breathe fairly well I don't think that the Megaflow is moving as much air as 2x120s potentially could. What do you guys think? Pull the trigger, or just keep on with what's mostly working for me?

I'll be real with you: I don't know if these are legitimate concerns or if this is just another attempt to make a project for myself. Sometimes it's hard to tell, and that's why I'm asking.
What temps are things running now under maximum load?
If they are normal temps I wouldn't change a thing.
If they are hot you might find the second link in my sig helpful.
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What temps are things running now under maximum load?
If they are normal temps I wouldn't change a thing.
If they are hot you might find the second link in my sig helpful.

**Editted my post above with a bit more info.**

My temps? Under full Aida64 load my CPU never breaches 54*c and right now my GPU at full load at 57*c.
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Those temps are good. No need for more case airflow. As for noise are you sure what fans are making the noise?

Your GPU fans look the same as ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II fans and I hear them even at their lowest speed. Not loud mind, but audible. H60 is not silent either.

If it's case fans and they are running at fixed speed you could try hooking them to mobo and using it to vary their speed dependent on heat / load on computer. I use a PWM fans for this reason. You might find the links in my sig helpful.
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I'm running a Hyper 212 Evo. My core temps aren't bad, but my socket temps are. That's probably the result of poor choice in motherboard, though. I'm working on remedying that by installing a fan behind the socket. I'll also be getting a new CPU cooler soon. The Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power looks too good, and too quiet, to pass up.

My GPU temps aren't bad, either, but they heat up a lot if my CPU doesn't warm up, forcing the side intake to push more air. My theory is that if the side intake isn't runnng high they're not getting much air since the Megaflow isn't exerting any pressure.

I decided to give it a shot. Worst case I send the fans back and pay a restocking fee to satisfy my curiosity, and in the future I'll be less inclined to question my own judgment. Will see. Thanks guys.
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The Silverstone AP181, I believe they're called, the 180mm model in the AP line, are IMHO the most (only..?) impressive large fans when it comes to performance. They will spin up quite fast if desired, or hum along at a slow ploddingpace, but the design and thickness results in some very impressive performance both in air flow volume and also pressure. The pressure would be impressive for a 140mm fan, much less a 180.

I recommended them to my buddy who has an air cooled rig in a HAF (X I think), ditching all the Megablows, and with the TR SB-E his 2700K dropped around 10C, but more significantly, the two 580 Classy Ultra 3GB SLI dropped 17C bottom card and 21C top!
I was curious, and it turned out that the case air delta was almost 25C with the stock fans, but with the pressure oriented fan overhaul, it dropped to just 4.7C in the same location. The throttling stopped, and the CPU is now clocked up to 4.8 from 4.5, and the GPU's gained about 80-90mhz on the core (the 580s get hot!).
   
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The above is a good example of what is happening in most cases. Poor / inadequate airflow volume compared to combined airflow of components.
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