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I don't play BF3/BF4 too.
I see, but the asus board that is available here only has PCIE 1 x16 compared to the others that has PCIE 2 x16

Asus website shows this:
1 x PCIe x16
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1

Hard to believe the x16 slot is only 1.0
Perhaps you should contact Asus to clarify.
     
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Hmmm, not really sure what to make of that, H81 only has 6 PCIe 1.0 lanes off the chipset.

I'd still be looking towards the G1 sniper... I don't think you'll regret the extra 15 bucks tongue.gif
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The PCIE 3.0 lanes on the 1150 socket platform are supported by the CPU-NB, not the chipset-NB. The "first" 16X slot on any 1150 socket board is a 3.0 slot by default, as that is what is on the CPU.


The FX-6300 at stock clocks vs the i3-4130 breaks down as follows:

FX-6300@stock is up to ~20% faster than the i3-4130 in highly parallel workloads that leverage the combined execution resources of the FX-6300 better than on the i3-4130 (unusual workloads, very rare in gaming, mostly found in non-real-time workloads like software compiling, parallel compression, trans-coding, etc)

i3-4130 is up to ~50% faster than the FX-6300@stock in lightly threaded workloads that benefit from having more execution resources crammed into each core. (Common in real-time workloads, like gaming).

Of course, either can be implemented on boards ranging from ~$60-100 pretty nicely.


The FX-6300 overclocked has an implementation cost that is comparable to an i5-4440...

So...

FX-6300@4.8ghz is up to ~20% faster than the i5-4440 in highly parallel workloads that leverage the combined execution resources of the FX-6300 better than on the i5-4440 (unusual workloads, very rare in gaming, mostly found in non-real-time workloads like software compiling, parallel compression, trans-coding, etc)

i5-4440 is up to ~20% faster than the FX-6300@4.8ghz in lightly threaded workloads that benefit from having more execution resources crammed into each core. (Common in real-time workloads, like gaming).


If you can buy the FX-6300 + UD3P at MC, then the cost to implement the overclocked FX-6300 is comparable to an i3-4330+B85.

FX-6300@4.8ghz is up to ~70% faster than the i3-4330 in highly parallel workloads that leverage the combined execution resources of the FX-6300 better than on the i3-4330.

i3-4330 is up to ~25% faster than the FX-6300@4.8ghz in lightly threaded workloads that benefit from having more execution resources crammed into each core.


In the above comparisons, I've tried to include maximum potential variances in performance that include performance tuning the FX-6300 where applicable. (more than just clock speed tuning, CPU-NB and system memory tuning has also been factored in for the overclocked comparisons)



-ASUS H81M-E
-MSI H81M-P33 V2
-MSI H81M-E35
-ASROCK H81M-DGS
-BIOSTAR H81MG
-GIGABYTE GA-H81M-DS2

This is basically a list of examples of why building a PC can be better than buying a pre-built, as the list above represents the sort of motherboards you will get in a pre-built machine. Generally barely meeting the minimum standards in every possible way. Using any of the motherboards in the list above, in a "custom" built PC, defeats one of the primary advantages of building a custom PC, the ability to discern and avoid motherboards and PSUs that are built to minimum standards.

The "gamble" there, is that you'd be buying the same type of motherboard that is typically found in budget OEM applications, that are anticipated to last long enough under typical use not to burn out within the 1 year warranty period for the machine. If that's the type of motherboard you're going to use, then you should probably just go to walmart and buy a dell, or a gateway, or an HP, or an emachine, at least that way, the "total system" is covered under warranty, and you're not taking on the down-sides of a custom build (no overall warranty) without any of the upsides (better quality parts).

The least expensive 1150 socket board I would bother using in a custom build is the BIOSTAR Hi-Fi B85S3+. Comes with 4 phase power that is nicely spread out, B85 chipset, 4xDIMM slots, and upgraded onboard sound.

Other budget boards that might actually be worth bothering to build around:
Biostar Hi-Fi H81S2
Gigabyte GA-H81-D3
Gigabyte GA-H81.Amp-UP
MSI B85-G41
GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H
MSI B85I
Gigabyte G1.Sniper B5
ASRock "killer" B85 and H87 boards

If you use combo specials at newegg or microcenter you can often get a nicer board for about the same money as one of those "cheapo" boards.
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This guy already has a PC, only getting CPU+mobo tongue.gif

Budget is like 200 bucks right?
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Looks like the i3 4130 is really the way to go, since I'm not doing any of these "software compiling, parallel compression, trans-coding, etc" and offers good upgrades too. Thanks for the great explanation and for saving me from buying one of those motherboards I listed. lol. +rep. thumb.gif Apparently the only motherboards I can get here are:

-ASRock Fatal1ty B85 Killer
-GIGABYTE G1.Sniper B5
-GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H

the BIOSTAR Hi-Fi B85S3+ looks nice though!

@GorbazTheDragon

Yep, $200 but I think I can stretch it a bit further to get one of the three motherboards I listed. That'll be the max I can stretch it to though.

=

It's like ASRock Fatal1ty B85 Killer>GIGABYTE G1.Sniper B5>GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H right? Am I not losing that much if I get the GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H?
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The killer/sniper boards have upgraded onboard sound compared to the GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H. That's the most meaningful difference. If there's a nice set of cans involved, spend the extra on the sniper or killer board for the sound quality, otherwise, if it's just plugged into a typical set of computer speakers or cheap powered monitors don't bother, the GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H will be every bit as good IMO.

The difference in sound quality wouldn't start to show up until at least ~$50-100 headphones, or $300-1000+ worth of amplified/powered speaker/amp.
     
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As I mentioned before I bought my brother a H87-D3H, it runs pretty nicely, and I doubt it would have any trouble handling a 4670k at 4.5+GHz. It looks like the B85M-D3H and the G1 Sniper B5 both have the same VRM as the H87-D3H, so again, if you do get a 4670k later on, you should be able to OC it pretty decently. Maybe look at if there is anything you really want on the I/O, or just the basic spec lists...

Outside that, the onboard sound is probably the biggest difference, which IMO is not really worth it, as if at any point I was going to take my audio really seriously, I would just get an external DAC to hook up with an optical lead. So I would still get the G1 sniper, but only because it has optical audio output.

Not that sure about the ASRock boards, but thats what mdocod is here for thumb.gif
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As I mentioned before I bought my brother a H87-D3H, it runs pretty nicely, and I doubt it would have any trouble handling a 4670k at 4.5+GHz. It looks like the B85M-D3H and the G1 Sniper B5 both have the same VRM as the H87-D3H, so again, if you do get a 4670k later on, you should be able to OC it pretty decently. Maybe look at if there is anything you really want on the I/O, or just the basic spec lists...

Outside that, the onboard sound is probably the biggest difference, which IMO is not really worth it, as if at any point I was going to take my audio really seriously, I would just get an external DAC to hook up with an optical lead. So I would still get the G1 sniper, but only because it has optical audio output.

Not that sure about the ASRock boards, but thats what mdocod is here for thumb.gif

so, you can oc with the H87?
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BIOS updates look to be unlocking the ability to OC on many B85 and H87 boards.
     
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Yeah my H87-D3H has multiplier settings up to 60... but it only has a 4440 in it, so it won't go up. But, I was looking around the other day, I think on wikipedia, looking at the features of each of the chipsets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z87

Look at the annotations on the other chipsets, CPU overclocking supported. I don't think they work with 1866MHz memory though, but 1600 is fine for a 4670k. That was back in january, I was surprised noone had caught on, because those B85 boards are REALLY good value. And because it's haswell you don't need a beastly set of VRMs to power the chip, the G1 Sniper B5 was on sale the other day, like 75 bucks.

Pretty evil move, and it really puts the value of the FX chips to the test...
Edited by GorbazTheDragon - 4/20/14 at 4:42am
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Luthien
(6 items)
 
Indis
(9 items)
 
Aragorn (RIP)
(7 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4710MQ Clevo W230SS Geforce GTX 860M Nanya 1600C11 
Hard DriveOS
WD Scorpio Black W7x64 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4790k (4.55GHz@1.22v) Z97I-Plus EVGA GTX 670 FTW G Skill Trident X 2x4GB 2400MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingPower
Crucial MX100 256GB Western Digital Red 3TB Corsair H75 Silverstone SFX 600w 
Case
Silverstone RVZ01 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsHard Drive
i7-3630QM MS16-F3 GTX 670m 3GB @795c/1590s/760m WD Black 2x500GB RAID0 
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