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Hey guys, I am planning on building a PC in the near future and have started specing out the parts. Although I am fairly knowledgeable about watercooling, this is my first watercooling loop so I have a few questions about it. But first I will list off what I will be using.

Case: 900D $320
Power Supply: 1200i $400
SSD (480) $300
Motherboard (z97) $500
CPU (Haswell-E) $600
Ram (DDR4) $400
Graphics Card (R9 290x or 390x) $600

Water-Loop ~$920

Reservoir/Pump Combo $160
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21479/ex-pmp-264/XSPC_Photon_270_Tube_Glass_Cylinder_Reservoir_Pump_Combo_D5_Vario.html?tl=c671s2151b49

Radiators 480x47 (2) $210
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21493/ex-rad-200/EK_CoolStream_480_XT_Series_Liquid_Cooling_Radiator_EK-CoolStream_RAD_XT_480.html?tl=g57c597s1902

CPU Block $75
http://www.amazon.com/Koolance-CPU-380I-Water-Block-Processor/dp/B00AGU2SU4/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1385866764&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Koolance+CPU
MB Block

VGA Block: $142.83 or $0
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/ati-radeon-full-cover-blocks/radeon-rx-200-series/ek-fc-r9-290x-acetal-nickel.html
VGA Back-plate $35.91 or $0
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc-r9-290x-backplate-black.html

Tube Tool Kit $22.06
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/tubing/solid-tubing/ek-hd-tube-d-i-y-kit-10and12mm.html

Tubing $19.30 x2
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/tubing/solid-tubing/ek-hd-tube-12-16mm-500mm-2-pcs.html

Fitting $6.85 x10
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/fittings/hd-adapters/ek-hd-adapter-12-16mm-black.html

Fans (twin pack x6) $168
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-SP120-Quiet-Twin-CO-9050006-WW/dp/B007RESFR2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1397706638&sr=1-2&keywords=Corsair+Air+Series+SP120

Fan Headers (x2) $12
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14665/ele-991/4-Pin_Power_Distribution_PCB_8xWay_Block_MMT-PCB-4-83.html?tl=g34c17

With dual 480 rads and possibly a 240 along with the cpu, mobo and graphics on water, should I do a single or dual loop? Would the restrictions be too high for a single loop or single pump? Also, I will probably start with a single graphics card but may add a second later on (would hook up in parallel). Let me know what you guys think of the restrictions of a loop like this.
Thanks a bunch,
Josh
post #2 of 15
that pump has plenty of power for that , dont worry about flow

i got one suggestion , bending those tubes isnt easy , i suggest u should look for some primochill angle tools , and remember , buy some to spare too , if this is your first time ... u could mess some tubes up
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post #3 of 15
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Ok awesome. And yeah I was planning on getting some extra tubing and am debating bending it or just cutting and using fittings for the joints.
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Ok awesome. And yeah I was planning on getting some extra tubing and am debating bending it or just cutting and using fittings for the joints.

Personally I think bending if done right looks nicer than using fittings. Anyone can buy a bunch of fittings and make it work but it takes time and skill to bend the tubes to the angles that you need. So I personally believe that bending looks a lot nicer.
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post #5 of 15
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Agreed, plus it is stronger than using fittings as they tend to degrade integrity of the tubing (over long distances)
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Hey guys, I am planning on building a PC in the near future and have started specing out the parts. Although I am fairly knowledgeable about watercooling, this is my first watercooling loop so I have a few questions about it. But first I will list off what I will be using.

Case: 900D $320
Power Supply: 1200i $400
SSD (480) $300
Motherboard (z97) $500
CPU (Haswell-E) $600
Ram (DDR4) $400
Graphics Card (R9 290x or 390x) $600

Water-Loop ~$920

Reservoir/Pump Combo $160
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21479/ex-pmp-264/XSPC_Photon_270_Tube_Glass_Cylinder_Reservoir_Pump_Combo_D5_Vario.html?tl=c671s2151b49

Radiators 480x47 (2) $210
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21493/ex-rad-200/EK_CoolStream_480_XT_Series_Liquid_Cooling_Radiator_EK-CoolStream_RAD_XT_480.html?tl=g57c597s1902

CPU Block $75
http://www.amazon.com/Koolance-CPU-380I-Water-Block-Processor/dp/B00AGU2SU4/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1385866764&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Koolance+CPU
MB Block

VGA Block: $142.83 or $0
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/ati-radeon-full-cover-blocks/radeon-rx-200-series/ek-fc-r9-290x-acetal-nickel.html
VGA Back-plate $35.91 or $0
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc-r9-290x-backplate-black.html

Tube Tool Kit $22.06
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/tubing/solid-tubing/ek-hd-tube-d-i-y-kit-10and12mm.html

Tubing $19.30 x2
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/tubing/solid-tubing/ek-hd-tube-12-16mm-500mm-2-pcs.html

Fitting $6.85 x10
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/fittings/hd-adapters/ek-hd-adapter-12-16mm-black.html

Fans (twin pack x6) $168
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-SP120-Quiet-Twin-CO-9050006-WW/dp/B007RESFR2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1397706638&sr=1-2&keywords=Corsair+Air+Series+SP120

Fan Headers (x2) $12
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14665/ele-991/4-Pin_Power_Distribution_PCB_8xWay_Block_MMT-PCB-4-83.html?tl=g34c17

With dual 480 rads and possibly a 240 along with the cpu, mobo and graphics on water, should I do a single or dual loop? Would the restrictions be too high for a single loop or single pump? Also, I will probably start with a single graphics card but may add a second later on (would hook up in parallel). Let me know what you guys think of the restrictions of a loop like this.
Thanks a bunch,
Josh

Firstly, are you going with a full board block... such as the one from EK? Are you only going to have one gpu? These questions matter because restriction will increase with each component in your loop. You are going to get the most restriction from your MB blocks. If you have more than one gpu, then restriction from these will be higher. Your cpu block is going to cause the least restriction of all of your blocks.

Regarding single v dual loop, I would suggest running a single loop. The data I've seen shows better performance for a single loop vs double, but I could be wrong. I see that the pump you've chosen is a D5, which are very powerful... having said that, I use a second pump for redundancy. So my opinion is that you should run a single loop, and consider adding another pump as a safeguard.

Although I understand why you are inclined to implement acrylic tubing, I would advise that you stick with flexible tubing since this is your first Watercooling build. If you've never built a loop, then you are possibly biting off more than you can chew by adding the extra hurdles involved with acrylic tube heating and bending. If you take this advice, it would be a good idea to invest in angled high-flow fittings, such as the bitspower rotary fittings. These come in 90, 45, and 30 degree angles, and they do not have too sharp of a curvature, so flow restriction is minimized.

Good luck with whatever route you decide to go, and you'll always have knowledgeable forum members to help out (much more knowledgeable than me:D!

-Carson

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post #7 of 15
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Thanks a bunch for that advice. I will definitely look into doing the dual "redundant" pump. I like the idea of having a things to fall back on especially a main part like that. As far as the gpu and mb blocks, they will be full blocks and I will probably start with gpu one but may add a second one later on. Also, do you know how to control multiple fans. The only options I that have seen are fan controllers with like 4-8 fan headers or getting a 8pin to 10 fan header converters. Is there anyway to control say 16 fans on a single fan controller?
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Thanks a bunch for that advice. I will definitely look into doing the dual "redundant" pump. I like the idea of having a things to fall back on especially a main part like that. As far as the gpu and mb blocks, they will be full blocks and I will probably start with gpu one but may add a second one later on. Also, do you know how to control multiple fans. The only options I that have seen are fan controllers with like 4-8 fan headers or getting a 8pin to 10 fan header converters. Is there anyway to control say 16 fans on a single fan controller?

Multiple fans can be controlled via fan cable splitters; however, most motherboards can supply a max of 1 amp of power, which means that you could not split too many with a series of normal 3 or 4-way splitters due to voltage insufficiency. Rather, you must find a fan splitter/hub that is powered by an auxiliary connector (i.e. SATA or molex). A popular option is the Swiftech 8-way pwm fan splitter, although I see that your fans are not pwm, so this option may not be viable. Just find a fan splitter that provides current.

Lastly, remember that if you are going to set your fans to run on a heat-based curve via fan controller software, you should not base the temperature data on system temps such as MB reported cpu temps. In a watercooled setup, the fans are responsible for cooling the radiator fins, which in turn cool the water... So, you should set your fan curve to modulate your fan rpm's according to water temperature. This means you should invest in some sort of inline temperature sensing plug ( monsoon makes one, but there are many such probes available. I feel that it would be presumptive to assume that you would want to pay the cost, but I use an Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 Pro to manage all of my fans, pumps, etc...). It is 200$ s though, so there are definitely cheaper alternatives. But if you have the funds, I highly recommend it. Lastly, the quiet edition series corsair fans are pretty quiet even at full speed, so you may want to listen to what they sound like on the rad before investing in expensive fan controlling software. This reduction in decibels comes at a performance cost, though, as you lose static pressure... shouldn't be much, though.

Hope this helps,

Carson
  
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I will be making my own two stage fan controller this weekend for my H440 build. It is a pretty simple concept, merely using an ON-ON switch, and then a voltage reducer that will take the 12V down to 8V.
The switch will allow me to select either Full 12V speed or silent 8V speed, which I will have to do manually, but I will probably on ever need the 12V speed during benchmarking or long gaming sessions.
I'll be posting the mod to my H440 build page, and will let you know how it works out.
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Thanks for the replies. If I did go the variable speed rout (controller or software) I would get the high performance edition fans which are higher RPM. I have seen the inline temp sensors and know that they are expensive like you said so i don't think I'll get that. I will definitely take a look at that fan controller build.
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