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post #81 of 146
Lisa got out over her skis, unless it was intentional. She could have easily deflected the question by saying that AMD doesn't provide guidance beyond the next quarter. Standard line for Nvidia when asked similar questions.
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Apple's iphone 6 and next gen ipad launch in Q4 2014. Its most likely that Apple is eating every 20nm SOC wafer at TSMC now and into Q3 2014. The rest are mostly waiting in queue and that means real 20nm volume in Q4 2014 and Q1 2015. If thats the case it makes sense for Nvidia and AMD to launch by Nov 2014 if possible or Q1 2015. I am guessing Nvidia will launch earlier as Maxwell has launched on 28nm. It means Nvidia is working on a well understood architecture at 20nm while AMD works to get its first GCN 2.0 part out.
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post #83 of 146
Guys, relax.

AMD will release something early 2015 after NVIDIA does it late 2014 because they simply just released the R9 200s. They are simply too new on the shelves. It's a fundamental limitation of their marketing, not technology.

NVIDIA though is clear that they will release something very soon, very possibly ready for the holiday season, because they have not released a major high end product since the GTX 780 vanilla. Titan Z and Black don't count, Titan is a luxury product line and Ti doesn't count, it's a marketing and technological refresh.

There is no technological excuse really. Apple already uses 20nm as we speak and their bulk will be ready very soon. AMD and NVIDIA are the perfect candidates for it, especially because 16nm foundry upgrades are considered to be easy. If they are so easy then it would be completely useless for the 20nm node to even exist since AMD and NVIDIA are the perfect candidates for anything high end. They literally make their living on the very high end, very much more so than Apple. If players like them can't use it, then TSMC would not release it. So the only chance they won't use it is if TSMC has not released it at all for them which is doubtful. Though you never know, they may have failed somewhere (but hard, since those phone processors already being made aren't that simple). Something certain though is that the "efficiency 20nm node" theory is nonsense. All nodes are efficient if you design a chip to be efficient and they are always non efficient if the chip is a coal burner. Look at the 750 Ti and compare it to AMD's volcanos. Case closed on that.
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post #84 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

Who cares? 20nm is already a bust.Both Nv and AMD have stated diminishing returns,and even Intel can't make 14nm viable.Refining 28nm is the better option for both,until FinFet is finished. I don't give a hoot what the specs are,just the actual performance.

As far as I know, Intel announced the launch of a 14nm SoC around end 2014-2015.

Why waste your time speaking as an expert while all you do is giving your opinion that could be fit in one sentence: "I don't think we will see 20nm this year." Cut the bullshizzle.
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post #85 of 146
Meh, whatever, my 780 is more than enough for all these ports and mediocre games being released these days. Though I still want a 1440p or 4k g sync monitor and another 780.
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The way I see it, they all could use the extra time to shore up chip designs.

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Too bad. The mining fiasco this year has pretty much ruined the market for the r9 line up here in NA. Prices might be starting to come back down but it seems as though every manufacturer has been plagued with QA issues as a result of greed (rushing to meet mining demand).
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Too bad. The mining fiasco this year has pretty much ruined the market for the r9 line up here in NA. Prices might be starting to come back down but it seems as though every manufacturer has been plagued with QA issues as a result of greed (rushing to meet mining demand).

Prices aren't "starting to come back down" they were starting to come back down in February. Right now they are dirt cheap as you can get a used 290 for 300$ or a used 290x for a little over 400$.
 
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Quote:
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Prices aren't "starting to come back down" they were starting to come back down in February. Right now they are dirt cheap as you can get a used 290 for 300$ or a used 290x for a little over 400$.

That's because the market is flooded with these GPUs so people are pricing them especially low to stay competitive which just turns into a downward spiral.
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