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post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by hammong View Post

Without the driver, the polling rate and resolution of the mouse will emulate a standard Microsoft mouse driver. I'd advise loading the Logitech G software for it.

Greg
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Originally Posted by thuNDa View Post

never experienced problems with the drivers, when i still used my G400(+you could bind the buttons).
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Originally Posted by fellcbr1 View Post

The default driver-less isn't 800 DPI / 1000 Hz? anyway.. older versions of the drivers are know to cause input lag, it was fixed with the newer versions some time ago.. i always run my mice driver-less but in case of Logitech, there isn't an issue with running it with drivers..

With the g400 it was properly messing the tracking not just causing lag - 800 driverles was 50 times more accurate and true to the movement than with drivers on, up to lgs 8.50, they also added massive jitter.
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Originally Posted by twerk View Post

Never use drivers, all they do is introduce latency. Some do worse and introduce unwanted acceleration etc.
Set your DPI and other settings then uninstall it.

Well I wish I could but the mouse doesn't have onboard memory so uninstalling the drivers means back to 800 no matter what frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Trull View Post

Then it's easy... just double the in-game sensitivity value and voilà, same sensitivity with native DPI, so no need for a driver.

That's one of the most stupid thing I ever read
post #12 of 32
I recommend using this:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2058527/3rd-party-mouse-driver-gui-located-here/
or this:
http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5067/ql-accel-driver
instead of the Logitech drivers.

The speed of the first driver is a multiplierer, so 0.5 is 50% of the DPI your mouse is set to and 2.0 is 200%.
So just set your G400 to their native DPI and use the multiplier to get it to your desired DPI.

I don't have the G400, but I do have a G100s and it feels terrible with the logitech drivers installed.
Using it without the logitech drivers and use the 3rd party one with 0.4 speed to get 400DPI with the default 1000DPI feels a lot better.
Edited by RentoN - 4/18/14 at 11:27pm
post #13 of 32
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Originally Posted by RentoN View Post

I recommend using this:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2058527/3rd-party-mouse-driver-gui-located-here/
or this:
http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5067/ql-accel-driver
instead of the Logitech drivers.

The speed of the first driver is a multiplierer, so 0.5 is 50% of the DPI your mouse is set to and 2.0 is 200%.
So just set your G400 to their native DPI and use the multiplier to get it to your desired DPI.

I don't have the G400, but I do have a G100s and it feels terrible with the logitech drivers installed.
Using it without the logitech drivers and use the 3rd party one with 0.4 speed to get 400DPI with the default 1000DPI feels a lot better.

Looks like a good concept but I'm unsure how to reverse it safely in case it doesn't suit me, I'll look into it. Thanks smile.gif
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by Trull View Post

Then it's easy... just double the in-game sensitivity value and voilà, same sensitivity with native DPI, so no need for a driver.
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Originally Posted by bushzyxx View Post

That's one of the most stupid thing I ever read

Really? Why is that?

Enlighten me...
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because dpi doesn't only impact sensitivity else everyone would be playing with 100 dpi. There's more to it than just the distance it covers, there is also the way it gets there.
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Originally Posted by bushzyxx View Post

That's one of the most stupid thing I ever read

Why, at least for FPS games he's correct, you'll get the same distance/360 which is what we refer to as sensitivity.
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Originally Posted by RentoN View Post

I recommend using this:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2058527/3rd-party-mouse-driver-gui-located-here/
or this:
http://teamfortress.tv/thread/5067/ql-accel-driver
instead of the Logitech drivers.

The speed of the first driver is a multiplierer, so 0.5 is 50% of the DPI your mouse is set to and 2.0 is 200%.
So just set your G400 to their native DPI and use the multiplier to get it to your desired DPI.

I don't have the G400, but I do have a G100s and it feels terrible with the logitech drivers installed.
Using it without the logitech drivers and use the 3rd party one with 0.4 speed to get 400DPI with the default 1000DPI feels a lot better.

Only speeds <1 will work fine though, because everything above means pixel skipping. So not really useful in this case.
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because dpi doesn't only impact sensitivity else everyone would be playing with 100 dpi. There's more to it than just the distance it covers, there is also the way it gets there.

I'm gonna quote you on this one...
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If you don't notice any difference between say 800 dpi at 1 sens, 400 at 0.5 or 1600 at 2 then you are most likely playing a desktop simulator.
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Originally Posted by bushzyxx View Post

If you don't notice any difference between say 800 dpi at 1 sens, 400 at 0.5 or 1600 at 2 then you are most likely playing a desktop simulator.

Bit mixed up, it should be 2 at 400, 1 at 800 and 0.5 at 1600.
And if that really affects your feel highly depends on game implementation. I have no trouble adjusting in-game sens to my cm/360 in the games I play from 400 to 2300 dpi.
I know what you mean though with the feeling.
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I know what you mean though with the feeling.

... Which is only relevant when talking about how a specific sensor implements specific CPI steps... theoretically 800dpi with a sensitivity factor of 2 is the same as 1600dpi with a factor of 1.

Not to mention that 800dpi is the native resolution of the A3090/S3095... so it's better than 1600dpi in this case.
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