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To reply to some of the recent posts -

Yes it is an electrical conductor, be very careful.
You will see very little difference between pre-curing and post-curing. The curing time and process is more for heatsinks that are very uneven.
I've seen it plenty of times "Use MX-4, not AS5". The reason why I am still using AS5 is I still have my stick, and it was the only thermal paste I could pick up in one day at MicroCenter.

Also, whenever your chip is under load, volts will raise slightly higher than what you set it at. They may drop off after that, but there is an initial spike. P95's spike is significantly higher than the usual spike you would see while gaming.
Even though I may be using the words significantly, the actual number are really small. Example: CPU runs at 1.35v, volt spike to 1.35125, P95 spikes to 1.355. {That is an example, not a real scenario}
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Im on mx-4 too for gpu and cpu awesome compound biggrin.gif

Indeed it is. Silver 5 is garbage in comparison.

I have no doubt I could have gotten more than 4.9Ghz out of that 6100, sadly the motherboard at the time (a basic M5A97) couldn't handle it. I've since replaced both with an 8320 and Sabertooth 99, and the Freezer 13 has moved over for an AIO hydro cooler.

You do realise, that without it's allocated curing time, there's like a whopping 0.5-0.7c difference between MX-4 and AS5 when used on a CPU, right?

Going around stating it's garbage isn't very fair on the brand, or those that've purchased it, when it's actually a good TIM. (You just need to be VERY careful with it, but then you wouldn't want to waste any TIM by being careless anyway IMO)

I've been using it for years in every application, and only just recently switched to Gelid DC-3 Extreme, because the difference in cooling a GPU with that is better against the competitors, even then there's still only a difference of a few Celsius at most.

I also found with my many years of using and applications of AS5, that standard blob application doesn't bode well with it, as stated here.

Cooler Master IC Value is garbage, Toothpaste is garbage, garbage is garbage, but the margin of around 2c between all the top brands on TIM hardly makes even the lesser performing ones garbage
 
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prime 95 wont make the voltage spike higher if llc is not enabled

and for conductivity all thermal paste are conductive they can all cause problem....

i can sink my computer in water and he can survive

it luck of the draw smile.gif
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and for conductivity all thermal paste are conductive they can all cause problem....

Several pastes (I believe MX-4 is one of them) is ceramic based, and will not cause a short if some gets in the wrong area. On the other hand, AS5 may be ceramic based, but it has silver particles to assist with heat transfer. That has been known to cause shorts, and I've even read in several areas where idiots get it all over their GPU and it's always followed by a few pops, some sizzling, and then a black screen.
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You do realise, that without it's allocated curing time, there's like a whopping 0.5-0.7c difference between MX-4 and AS5 when used on a CPU, right?

Going around stating it's garbage isn't very fair on the brand, or those that've purchased it, when it's actually a good TIM. (You just need to be VERY careful with it, but then you wouldn't want to waste any TIM by being careless anyway IMO)

I've been using it for years in every application, and only just recently switched to Gelid DC-3 Extreme, because the difference in cooling a GPU with that is better against the competitors, even then there's still only a difference of a few Celsius at most.

I also found with my many years of using and applications of AS5, that standard blob application doesn't bode well with it, as stated here.

Cooler Master IC Value is garbage, Toothpaste is garbage, garbage is garbage, but the margin of around 2c between all the top brands on TIM hardly makes even the lesser performing ones garbage


My statement is a testament of not only the thermal performance, but also the general drawbacks of Silver 5, its price and personal experience using various products including Arctic Silver 5.
MX-4 outperforms it noticeably under load (although is very similar at idle), costs less, doesn't require silly cure times (which dont yield significantly better results anyway) and its non-conductive, its generally easier to use in my experience, and is easier to replace.
I don't call AS5 garbage simply for its inferior thermal performance, but for all factors in which it is resoundingly beaten by MX-4 and other thermal compounds available.
There is no doubt that AS5 is better than other products, and is certainly going to perform better than toothpaste. But saying that it is even close to MX-4 for quality or performance is ludicrous.
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The one thing I hate about thermal paste discussions is the variations every time we apply. I do remember a chart a while back saying the MX-4 was something like .2% worse than AS5... I don't remember where it was or how many tests they did. I am going to swap to MX-4 myself the next time I need more paste.
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and I've even read in several areas where idiots get it all over their GPU and it's always followed by a few pops, some sizzling, and then a black screen.
Yeah, a lot of beginners are under the impression that they have to use up the whole tube on installation, heh. tongue.gif
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I do remember a chart a while back saying the MX-4 was something like .2% worse than AS5... I don't remember where it was or how many tests they did. I am going to swap to MX-4 myself the next time I need more paste.
I saw that chart too, but the majority of the review sites have the MX-4 as being better. There are definite margins of error among the sites, and the same with heatsink comparisons.
I used to use Arctic Silver Ceramique before now using MX-4. I think MX-4 is a bit better performing. The price differences of TIMs, especially when on sale, is only a couple of bucks making a per use difference of maybe only a quarter.
I was going to try the Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra because of the 2C or so difference, but then found out its corrosive to aluminum.
    
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Gelid solutions is superior to as5. I keep both tims available. If I setup a cpu at stock clocks I use as5 normally.

If I am installing aftmarket cooling and over clocking. I like the gelid solutions.
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Gelid solutions is superior to as5. I keep both tims available. If I setup a cpu at stock clocks I use as5 normally.

If I am installing aftmarket cooling and over clocking. I like the gelid solutions.
+1

This paste is very good; Gelid Solutions GC-3.
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My statement is a testament of not only the thermal performance, but also the general drawbacks of Silver 5, its price and personal experience using various products including Arctic Silver 5.
MX-4 outperforms it noticeably under load (although is very similar at idle), costs less, doesn't require silly cure times (which dont yield significantly better results anyway) and its non-conductive, its generally easier to use in my experience, and is easier to replace.
I don't call AS5 garbage simply for its inferior thermal performance, but for all factors in which it is resoundingly beaten by MX-4 and other thermal compounds available.
There is no doubt that AS5 is better than other products, and is certainly going to perform better than toothpaste. But saying that it is even close to MX-4 for quality or performance is ludicrous.

Your ease of use with it, is just that, there are many that have their own preference because -they- find it easier to use than others. I've used many, MX-4, MX-2, Ceramique, Tuniq, IC Diamond, Prolimatech, I -personally- found AS5 to be easier to apply whilst offering good temperatures, but in no way do I think any of the others are garbage, they're all equally as good as the other, and in the end it's down to personal preference, aswell as taking actual tests into account.

I'm interested to see where you're seeing the performance difference between AS5 and MX-4 as being a ludicrous amount...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/arctic_mx_4_thermal_paste_review,6.html

Biggest difference I saw between them was here on a GPU testing with medium pressure mount:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/thermal-paste-performance-benchmark,review-32804-20.html

I'm not having a war with you here, I just don't see your referring to something as a "ludicrously inferior product" when, there's bugger-all between them and ease of application is for the most part, down to the individual.

AS5 isn't conductive, it's capacitive. You shouldn't be getting TIM all over electrical paths anyway, to be fair.

It also doesn't run or separate, and it'll last donkeys years. I personally don't see any problems with it.
I'll recommend any of the top TIM's, whatever is easier to get, at the best price and amongst the best performing. My personal experience varies compared to others, there's a quid difference between them now, which is why I've opted for spending a little more on something that performs better than all of them (again, still only a couple of Celsius at the most) with Gelid GC-3 Extreme.

I just can't see how calling one of them complete garbage compared to the other is justified, in some places AS5 might be stocked everywhere and MX-4 isn't available, in others AS5 will be more expensive than MX-4.

Get whatever's best for your money, and whatever's easier to use for that individual, but a ludicrous difference between them, myself and many others don't see.
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