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Oh look another person trying to argue with shilka about PSU's. Lets see how this goes.

I am not arguing, hell I just said I know nothing of voltages and what not.

I know budgets, and warranties.. will 5% voltage suppresion kill your average user? no.. if you read the quote I just posted he said so himself.

Overpriced -> Well that is very subjective Y/N?
Mediocre -> Mediocre means not the best of.. for what could be more productive to OP.. what is better for the money?

I've not even received my PSU.. for all that matters the discussion is to be helpful to everyone that reads it.. not to someone's ego (me you etc)

Edit: I didn't know I was both quoting and replying to shilka biggrin.gif

They used to cost $120+.. they are now at $80.. it is unfair to read a review without knowing in what time it was made. At least financially they are a better purchase than they used to be.. probably internally the same as before (of which I know nothing)
Edited by tupamaro16 - 4/19/14 at 6:13pm
post #22 of 68

$80 for a 750W PSU is kind of revealing of its quality. You can get some pretty good 450W and 550W PSUs for about $80.

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post #23 of 68
You dont need the low budget components you meed the best price/performance ratio you cant forget quality in a budget.
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post #24 of 68
Why is it so bad ?

Not trying to argue.. but to understand how does it get such good reviews while being cheap and running what is asked of it and meeting 80+ qualifications.. and yet be so not as good as ? (not sure what)
post #25 of 68
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Why is it so bad ?

Not trying to argue.. but to understand how does it get such good reviews while being cheap and running what is asked of it and meeting 80+ qualifications.. and yet be so not as good as ? (not sure what)

 

The review is taking into consideration that it's a lower quality unit. It's not bad for being a lower-quality unit.

 

The 80+ stuff is marketing hype. The room they test the PSUs in is at a very comfortable temperature - cooler than the inside of our computer cases. That's the first problem with the 80+ Testing. The 2nd problem is they don't really do thorough testing. They test it 3 times: at 20%, 50%, and then 100%.

 

Just: http://www.overclock.net/t/711542/on-efficiency

 

Then: http://www.overclock.net/t/872013/50-load-myth

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post #26 of 68
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The review is taking into consideration that it's a lower quality unit. It's not bad for being a lower-quality unit.

The 80+ stuff is marketing hype.

Yeah this...80+ doesn't mean anything, and those ratings don't mean much either.
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post #27 of 68
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The review is taking into consideration that it's a lower quality unit. It's not bad for being a lower-quality unit.

The 80+ stuff is marketing hype. The room they test the PSUs in is at a very comfortable temperature - cooler than the inside of our computer cases. That's the first problem with the 80+ Testing. The 2nd problem is they don't really do thorough testing. They test it 3 times: at 20%, 50%, and then 100%.

Just: http://www.overclock.net/t/711542/on-efficiency

Then: http://www.overclock.net/t/872013/50-load-myth





If measured objectively (hopefully this Site is), it is important to know what % of the electricity that goes in is wasted.

Saving 10% if the computer is on 24/7 depending on the country could be more than $50.

Edit: On the link annexed well they seemed to have tested beyond what those standards do.. so either I'm defending the indefensible or well the PSU was created by Osama.

Edit2: Guru Review
Edited by tupamaro16 - 4/19/14 at 8:24pm
post #28 of 68
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If measured objectively (hopefully this Site is), it is important to know what % of the electricity that goes in is wasted.

Saving 10% if the computer is on 24/7 depending on the country could be more than $50.

 

Not all efficiency ratings are 100% accurate. Some of them are way off and can seem quite "faked". Also, just because a PSU has a good 80+ Certification, it doesn't mean that it's a safe PSU to use. There are a lot of "avoid-at-all-costs" PSUs out there that have good 80+ Certifications.

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post #29 of 68
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Not all efficiency ratings are 100% accurate. Some of them are way off and can seem quite "faked". Also, just because a PSU has a good 80+ Certification, it doesn't mean that it's a safe PSU to use. There are a lot of "avoid-at-all-costs" PSUs out there that have good 80+ Certifications.

But this was an independent review right?

With more thorough testing than what marketing asks you to do tongue.gif?

Edit : Unbiased review?
Edited by tupamaro16 - 4/19/14 at 7:59pm
post #30 of 68
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But this was an independent review right?

With more thorough testing than what marketing asks you to do tongue.gif?

Edit : Link to what if is independent, and it seems so gets an 8.1 at a higher than now price tag

 

I don't have enough knowledge. I'm going to do something very unusual for me and I'm going to recommend that you ask Phaedrus2129.

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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (OS) 3 TB Toshiba P300 (storage) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
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Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
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Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate Basic, but premium round 
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