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my temperatures is not bad now at 4.2ghz . the reason I want to delid my cpu is because I want to overclock my cpu higher so in other words I am asking if giving my cpu to much voltage even if my temps are good can I hurt my cpu ?

 

Again, I don't know Haswell overclocking. You will have to ask if the voltage you think you might end up needing to use would be safe for everyday use.

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Again, I don't know Haswell overclocking. You will have to ask if the voltage you think you might end up needing to use would be safe for everyday use.
from what read most people will not push there i7 4770k pass 1.3v. I read that I can overclock my cpu by increasing my bclk . do you think I can get better results that way ?
    
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from what read most people will not push there i7 4770k pass 1.3v. I read that I can overclock my cpu by increasing my bclk . do you think I can get better results that way ?

 

I'm not sure.

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This is a bit of a trainwreck lol

7.7ghz @1.26vcore is a bad reading. Nothing more - it's not possible, period. The best OCers on air are at about 5ghz by then. Maybe the best chip on the planet might be at 5.2 - but that's 900mhz above average, not 3400mhz above it.

You can't reach those clocks without sub-ambient cooling (think liquid nitrogen and usually like 1.9vcore) and you can't get stable at them. They're only used for things like validations. Any readings in these ranges, correct or incorrect, are irrelevant for all but somewhat expert-level sub-ambient overclockers.



Read the Haswell overclocking guide (with statistics). Two or three times. Go. Do it. If you follow procedure there and use x264, you'll do far far better. It's a better place to ask questions too.

Also, LLC is not for Vcore, it's for VRIN on Haswell. You almost certainly can't do anything better by changing bclk past 100.00 and it's a bad idea to try unless you know exactly what you are doing. Many people go past 1.3vcore on Haswell, that's just about where the more acceptable temperatures stop with i7 on air/clc. i5, better cooling, delid or any combination of the 3 can go further
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This is a bit of a trainwreck lol

7.7ghz @1.26vcore is a bad reading. Nothing more - it's not possible, period. The best OCers on air are at about 5ghz by then. Maybe the best chip on the planet might be at 5.2 - but that's 900mhz above average, not 3400mhz above it.

You can't reach those clocks without sub-ambient cooling (think liquid nitrogen and usually like 1.9vcore) and you can't get stable at them. They're only used for things like validations. Any readings in these ranges, correct or incorrect, are irrelevant for all but somewhat expert-level sub-ambient overclockers.



Read the Haswell overclocking guide (with statistics). Two or three times. Go. Do it. If you follow procedure there and use x264, you'll do far far better. It's a better place to ask questions too.

Also, LLC is not for Vcore, it's for VRIN on Haswell. You almost certainly can't do anything better by changing bclk past 100.00 and it's a bad idea to try unless you know exactly what you are doing. Many people go past 1.3vcore on Haswell, that's just about where the more acceptable temperatures stop with i7 on air/clc. i5, better cooling, delid or any combination of the 3 can go further

Orndorf77 please do this, I agree 100% with this

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Also keep this in mind about LLC, its a tuning feature to make sure you retain your set voltage, you want just enough LLC so your voltage doesn't drop on load, I would prefer voltage to increase a small amount rather than drop.

I think you need to just start from the start again, sometimes chasing stability without starting over can have you chase your tail. If in prime you hit 85c no biggie if your normal use loads leave you in the 70s. Unless your normal load also stresses the CPU into the 80s I wouldn't worry, prime and other stress test push the CPU as hard as possible to ensure under normal use it will not fail.

Overclocking is a lot of trail and error, you HAVE to try things, just make sure your temps and voltages stay within safe zones and no permanent damage will be done.

Do not mess with bclk, that overclocks the bus on everything and can currupt your hard drive as well as other negative effects.

Delidding will lower temps and lower temps will make voltage "safer" since the CPU is cooler. Its being done soooo often in forums Intel is even stating their next revision to haswell is stated to have better paste, the next intel chipset MSI power motherboard even comes with a special bracket to mount a cooler directly to the die of the CPU also. So all this is being done because lower temps do help get more oc out of a CPU its just a mater of if your OK accepting that you can accidentally destroy your CPU in the process of delidding.

It is possible that you just got a BAD Overclocking 4770k. It happened to sandy bridge too. When it seemed every sandy hit 4.6 (both mine did 4.8) there were guys that could only do 4.4ghz, just luck that's all.
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Orndorf77 please do this, I agree 100% with this

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Also keep this in mind about LLC, its a tuning feature to make sure you retain your set voltage, you want just enough LLC so your voltage doesn't drop on load, I would prefer voltage to increase a small amount rather than drop.

I think you need to just start from the start again, sometimes chasing stability without starting over can have you chase your tail. If in prime you hit 85c no biggie if your normal use loads leave you in the 70s. Unless your normal load also stresses the CPU into the 80s I wouldn't worry, prime and other stress test push the CPU as hard as possible to ensure under normal use it will not fail.

Overclocking is a lot of trail and error, you HAVE to try things, just make sure your temps and voltages stay within safe zones and no permanent damage will be done.

Do not mess with bclk, that overclocks the bus on everything and can currupt your hard drive as well as other negative effects.
is LLC the PLL selection option in the bios ? if so there is only 2 other options besides auto and I have it set to LC PLL . I have another question if I delid my processor can I set the voltage as high as I nees as long as my temperatures are good ? or is there a limit to how much voltage your cpu can take before it starts degrading no matter what your temperatures are ?
    
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is LLC the PLL selection option in the bios ?

No, that's completely unrelated. Leave it on auto.

It's talked about in the guide

About ~1.35vcore is where it becomes realistic to start thinking about degradation
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for me to get my i7 4770k stable at 4.3ghz I have to use more then 1.3 volts and to get my i7 4770k stable at 4.2ghz I have to use 1.26 volts . is there some people who get worst i7 4770k processors then mine ? and what quality percentile would you say my i7 4770k is in ?
    
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is LLC the PLL selection option in the bios ? if so there is only 2 other options besides auto and I have it set to LC PLL . and if I delid my processor can I set the voltage as high as I nees as long as my temperatures are good ? or is there a limit to how much voltage your cpu can take before it starts degrading no matter what your temperatures are ?

PLL is not LLC. LLC is load line calibration. PLL is a specific voltage between 2 parts of the cpu, I forgot what its named but increasing PLL can help stabilize a high oc. Usually Asus only has enable as an option but I haven't played with their z87 bios yet.

Here ya go, check this out, one reason I like Asus motherboards, they release great guides for their bios:

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33488-Maximus-VI-Series-UEFI-Guide-for-Overclocking&country=&status=

Check this out, a lot of definitions of what settings are in their older z68 motherboard, yours will have some new features not in that link so I'm gonna look if I can find one for your mobo, meantime look this over

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?2787-Maximus-IV-GENE-Z-BIOS-Guide-Overclocking&country=&status=

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No, that's completely unrelated. Leave it on auto.

It's talked about in the guide

About ~1.35vcore is where it becomes realistic to start thinking about degradation
can I ask what you have your i7 4770k overclocked to and what voltage you are using ?
    
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