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Dont know what to tell you.. as the X5460 is a pretty good cpu specially if you buy the tape mod and run it on a socket 775 x58 motherboard. I remember having a qx9650 overclocked to 4.5Ghz and they still keep up pretty darn good these days but are starting to show there age... I see most people are getting 4.5-5Ghz with x5460 on x58 mobo's. So - Whats your budget like?? The AMD 760K is an amazing cpu for cheap cheap.. I have built hundreds of systems with them and have never seen one not be able to hit 4.8-5.2GHz. Also should ask what Gpu are you running?? If you can wait like another month I hear that the new Pentium K or unlocked version will be coming out and should be very affordable as well. is this something you need to buy right this second?? If so 760K is a great choice.. What ever you do stay far away from AM3+ as it is a completely dead platform with no upgrade future at all.


Yea I'm looking for something right now since my current backup hp rig can't play any games and my current GPU is the ATI 7770. I was thinking about going with the FM2+ platform along with the 760k and when the Carizzo APU come out in 2015 I can upgrade to that. BTW I plan on doing a complete PC overhaul in 2015.
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Don't count on any FX chips coming to FM2+. You can upgrade later on to Kaveri and possibly Kaveri's successor, but AMD has said nothing about moving FX chips to FM2+, or even when the next FX chips might come out. They've said there will be another FX, but their own roadmaps have nothing beyond Vishera in that market segment through 2015. The next FX might not appear until the AMD K12 microarchitecture shows up sometime after Excavator. That's at least 2016, and more likely 2017.

I'd like for AMD to create an "FX platform" that allows the use of two HSA-enabled APU's on one motherboard, for a total of eight HSA cores, double the compute ability of the iGPU, and Crossifre the iGPU's. But that would require some changes in the design of the current APU's.
It can beat some of the older i5's in certain circumstances. It will not beat any desktop i5 from the Sandy Bridge series or later. However, an overclocked 760K is good enough for a middling gaming rig when paired with a strong video card.

Ok first when I say 760K beats core i5 I mean an overclocked 760K versus a stock clocked core i5... No duh there is no way a clock for clock 760K versus core i5 would beat anything.. the point is you are paying for a $80 760K and overclock the snot out of it to beat a $200-300 stock i5 intel cpu!! Next what are you saying about 2 4core HSA apu's do you mean a dual socket board?? That would be sweet.. I wanna see AMD add more cache like 8-16MB or bring back L3 or add L4 and stop all this 2x 2048mb cache crap, and widen the bandwidth lanes from 128 or what ever they are now to 512. They should drop there losses with beema and add to what they have now with the AM1 5350 kabini like how intel did with there mobile cpu and came out with C2D you know what I mean?? They finally got the wattage down to 25w @ 2.0Ghz so 4.0Ghz should come in about 50-65w that means if they were to add an extra 4 core for a total of 8 cores they should come in under the 100w mark now making for a more competitive cpu. I just hope AMD takes the leap..
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Don't count on any FX chips coming to FM2+. You can upgrade later on to Kaveri and possibly Kaveri's successor, but AMD has said nothing about moving FX chips to FM2+, or even when the next FX chips might come out. They've said there will be another FX, but their own roadmaps have nothing beyond Vishera in that market segment through 2015. The next FX might not appear until the AMD K12 microarchitecture shows up sometime after Excavator. That's at least 2016, and more likely 2017.

I'd like for AMD to create an "FX platform" that allows the use of two HSA-enabled APU's on one motherboard, for a total of eight HSA cores, double the compute ability of the iGPU, and Crossifre the iGPU's. But that would require some changes in the design of the current APU's.
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I can see Fx coming in 2015 on excavator. because in their roadmap they have HSA DGpu's so HSA FX and HSA DGpu could be possible next year

OT: the 760k is still a good cpu. I don't think it would performs an i5 though not at stock. It's only on par with my 2008 Q8300 at stock.
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post #34 of 57
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Ok first when I say 760K beats core i5 I mean an overclocked 760K versus a stock clocked core i5... No duh there is no way a clock for clock 760K versus core i5 would beat anything.. the point is you are paying for a $80 760K and overclock the snot out of it to beat a $200-300 stock i5 intel cpu!! Next what are you saying about 2 4core HSA apu's do you mean a dual socket board?? That would be sweet.. I wanna see AMD add more cache like 8-16MB or bring back L3 or add L4 and stop all this 2x 2048mb cache crap, and widen the bandwidth lanes from 128 or what ever they are now to 512. They should drop there losses with beema and add to what they have now with the AM1 5350 kabini like how intel did with there mobile cpu and came out with C2D you know what I mean?? They finally got the wattage down to 25w @ 2.0Ghz so 4.0Ghz should come in about 50-65w that means if they were to add an extra 4 core for a total of 8 cores they should come in under the 100w mark now making for a more competitive cpu. I just hope AMD takes the leap..
Doesn't matter how much you overclock it within reason, it's not going to beat any Sandy Bridge or later i5 running at stock.

And yes, I was referring to a possible dual-socket board. AMD did this once before, with their Quad FX platform that featured two FX-74 dual-core processors on a single board, back in 2007.

L3 cache doesn't provide enough tangible benefit on the Bulldozer architecture to justify it being there, let alone L4. There are better uses for those transistors. Doesn't really help Phenom II's all that much, either. The last AMD processor that really benefitted from having L3 cache was the K6-III.

The Core microarchitecture is based on the Pentium M, which itself was a die-shrunk Pentium III "Tualatin" core, modified to run on the much faster Pentium 4 bus protocol. The Pentium M worked so well that Intel developed it for the desktop instead of proceeding with NetBurst. There's no parallel with Kabini. It has an even lower IPC than the Bulldozer-core designs. Pentium M Banias and Dothan cores had a much higher IPC than NetBurst designs did, and were even higher than Athlon 64's. Since Intel's efforts to bring NetBurst up to the A64's IPC level failed (the unreleased Tejas core had a TDP of 150W), they made the wise decision to drop NetBurst and base future desktop designs on Dothan instead.

Also, just because Kabini runs at 2 GHz on 25w doesn't mean it will run 4 GHz on any wattage, let alone 50-65. CPU frequency doesn't scale that way. If AMD could produce 4 GHz Kabini chips at a 65W TDP, it would already be doing so. The truth of the matter is that it's probably impossible for one to run at such a speed at all. The instruction pipeline is probably too short to support a frequency anywhere near that high.
     
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So, how fast is the Athlon? Is it fast or slow for a $90 CPU. It is 3.8Ghz so I could probably get 4.5Ghz with an aftermarket cooler or maybe even 5Ghz with a Corsair H100i. How fast is it unlverclocked and overclocked?
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So, how fast is the Athlon? Is it fast or slow for a $90 CPU. It is 3.8Ghz so I could probably get 4.5Ghz with an aftermarket cooler or maybe even 5Ghz with a Corsair H100i. How fast is it unlverclocked and overclocked?



For $89 it's about as good a processor as you can get. FM2+ boards with 8+2 phase power are cheaper than 990 AM3+ boards. Most people report getting pretty good over clocks with the 760K. It's no I5 4670K but the again it's $89 not $209.
Edited by chrisjames61 - 4/22/14 at 5:58am
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damric should be able to tell you how fast it is.

I think he runs his at 4.5ghz 24/7 and can bench at 5ghz.

I'd love to see what he gets in HWBOT Prime.
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So, how fast is the Athlon? Is it fast or slow for a $90 CPU.
For a $90 CPU, it's a great deal, especially if you overclock it. And unlike the FX chips, you have an upgrade path. I don't recommend anyone invest in AM3+ unless they already have a motherboard, but on FM2+, you can move up to Kaveri or presumably Carrizo later on if you want.
     
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damric should be able to tell you how fast it is.

I think he runs his at 4.5ghz 24/7 and can bench at 5ghz.

I'd love to see what he gets in HWBOT Prime.

They zip it in a JAR file, and I can't be assed to figure that one out.
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