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rule no #2

never buy ultra high end for "Future proof". Especially on a fast pace improving technology like GPUs.

Chances are the mid end next gen could have been equal the performance at 30-50%% of the price. biggrin.gif

I have to disagree somewhat because those seem like very optimistic numbers. Got proof.gif ?

I look at it like this:
I buy a high-end (let's assume for the average person that high-end is 780(Ti) / R9 290(X) and not the ultra-high end 295 or Titan Z) GPU. I keep it for 2 - 3 years (which might be an eternity for some). Then yes, by the end of it's life it will have the performance of a mid-range card. But I got to enjoy top-of-the-line performance at least for the first year. Second year it might fall into the higher mid-range. But by no means have I seen equal performance for half the price from a new gen.
And high-end GPU's sell better in the second-hand market IMHO (sold my GTX 570 for € 80 while I saw a GTX 580 (also DCII) go for € 140 the same week for example ).

All said and done, high-end GPU's are definitely more expensive looking at the total cost of ownership. But the difference isn't that huge when you keep it for a while. Early adaptors buying at launch every gen is a different story tongue.gif
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Chances are the mid end next gen could have been equal the performance at 30-50%% of the price.

High end fermi cards cost like £400, right now you can replace it with a kepler card of superior performance for under half the price - it was like past £400 on launch for aftermarket 480/580's, IIRC (not entirely sure, i didn't look for years so correct me if i'm wrong) and it's ~£175 for an aftermarket 760 now, just quick checking

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1135

i definitely see where both of you are coming from though
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rule no #2

never buy ultra high end for "Future proof". Especially on a fast pace improving technology like GPUs.

Chances are the mid end next gen could have been equal the performance at 30-50%% of the price. biggrin.gif

lolwut?
haven't you read about ~40%-50% of what this thread complaining about?

compared to cpus/chipsets/socket designs (for both amd and intel anymore) gpus are amazingly stagnant in the last few years as prices have increased.
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I'll take this opportunity to rewrite both rules and say this:

Rule 1: Get whatever fit's your needs now, or wait if you know something is coming and it's going to be better than what you would get now.

Rule 2: Arguing about what to buy when is useless because there is always going to be something better within a year or so...

you just broke the REAL rule #1 twice. mad.gif

maybe you misunderstand so i'll rephrase it:

#1 when buying tech, get the best available.
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compared to cpus/chipsets/socket designs (for both amd and intel anymore) gpus are amazingly stagnant in the last few years as prices have increased.

Uh, in early 2011 we got gtx680 at £430

Now, three years later, we have the 770 - same thing, bit better - at £230.


Meanwhile, in early 2011 we got the 2500k. Now, three years later we have 4670k, which is same price and probably 15% better in most cases.

I'd take that GPU market any day, though it's not amazing.
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680 - spring 2012
770 - summer 2013


2500k - winter 2011
4670k - summer 2013
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If GM204 is coming out on 28nm, the chances of it supplanting the 780 Ti are slim. That means early Titan adopters will have had nearly 2 years with a top tier SKU before anything significantly better comes along.

The pricing sucked, but that's pretty amazing mileage for a video card.

Yeah as an early Titan adopter I've had my card for 14 months or so by now...

The funny thing is that by now I would have expected to have something to actually upgrade to but the only things that are better are 780Tis with voltage control, so basically only 780Ti classys. And even those are only marginally better.

I'm already more than ready to upgrade... but it looks like it wont be happening any time soon.

Same with my day one 3x GTX 780's $ $650 each. Sure there's the 780 Ti which is a bit better than the original 780's but the amount of time I've had them and 20nm looking like it's so far away, it wasn't that bad of an investment for anyone who got an early GK110 cards and got so much mileage out of them.

At this point, I'm almost hoping for a GTX 880 on 28nm and then a big 20nm die on a GTX 980. If they come out with a GTX 880 on 28nm mid Q3, they'll probably be ready for a good big daddy maxwell on a 20nm die in H2 2015.
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Its clear we won't see any big die cards based on 20nm anytime soon. Oh well, good thing I got a titan black. This should hold me out until big maxwell.
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680 - spring 2012
770 - summer 2013


2500k - winter 2011
4670k - summer 2013

Oh, was it 2012? My bad

4670k was summer 2013 yes, but i'm talking about what we have now. It's no use talking about how good 4670k was in summer 2013, and piledriver 4-module at end of 2012, because it's mid 2014 now and we buy what's available for what it costs now
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I agree with your point. was just fixing up the release dates. thumb.gif
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Bummer. I'll wait for that 20nm.

Also, I know this has nothing to do with them, but Intel must be sitting pretty and having cocktails right now. If TSMC is having issues then Intel remains ahead in process engineering. I'm guessing this will become more important as they erode the power efficiency gap ARM has on them and when that happens, can offer a full fledged better performing full x86 processor.
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